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  •  It seems to work for them. (0+ / 0-)

    We were working on a new Utopia of our own back in the '60s and '70s, but for some reason we dropped it.  (Well, I didn't drop it, but just about everyone else did.) Now, even the liberal utopia is simply a sort of reformed '50s white bread, just with universal health care; green policy; and equality for minorities, women, and gays.  We dropped our Utopia, and now only the GOP has one.  Of course they're gonna be winning.

    The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

    by Panurge on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:29:57 AM PST

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    •  Um, maybe because utopia is a fantasy? (1+ / 0-)
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      Instead of changing human nature, we realized that we need to find better ways of harnessing its better aspects and guarding against its worse ones. And I see nothing wrong with the goals you cited above. But I agree that the GOP is still utopian. Except that their utopia is our dystopia.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:51:33 AM PST

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      •  It doesn't matter. (0+ / 0-)

        Our fantasies are expressions of our values and most deeply held desires, and give us a sense of direction.  Without them, we mostly just have policy positions--and, yes, a fairly basic sense of justice.  But we need to be able to say, "Here's how the world can be different--and better."  Drawing a picture of that can be highly useful.   Disparaging it as "fantasy" doesn't really serve much.

        The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

        by Panurge on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:54:13 AM PST

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        •  There are utopian fantasies (0+ / 0-)

          that stand a chance of being at least somewhat realized, and are just extensions of universally accepted moral values and goals, and ones that don't and are not. I would suggest that ours are more like the former and theirs the latter. So no false equivalence please. We are NOT the same, even in the quality of our dreams.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 10:57:31 AM PST

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          •  OK. (0+ / 0-)

            But my whole point is that we do have dreams, and we have them for good reasons.

            The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

            by Panurge on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 09:43:48 PM PST

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