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    Buckeye54, skohayes, wonmug
    I also don't understand this:

    "This is a great flaw in the liberal vision, because whatever role government plays in prosperity, transfer payments are not a sufficient foundation for middle-class success. It’s not a coincidence that the economic era that many liberals pine for — the great, egalitarian post-World War II boom — was an era that social conservatives remember fondly as well: a time of leaping church attendance, rising marriage rates and birthrates, and widespread civic renewal and engagement."

    Is Douthat suggesting that Democrats are basing their efforts to rebuild the middle class on "transfer payments", which is code for wealth redistribution, which is another way of saying what Douthat disengenuously tries to distance himself from, the notion that Democrats win elections by offering voters "gifts"? Are we back to that tired old saw again, expressed in so many offensive ways in the past, from "Welfare Queens" to "Tax and spend liberals" to "culture of dependancy"?

    How original. And predictable. Douthat is just saying what Romney and most other Republicans have been saying for years, only, given the forum, doing so somewhat more delicately.

    By the way, who does Douthat think created the allegedly socially cohesive post-WWII economic prosperity that he yearns for? Democrats, along with liberal Republicans. Not conservatives.

    Boy is this getting boring. I think it's time they cooked up some new lies already.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 06:09:16 AM PST

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      A lot of the commenters are making very cogent points, made me go back and read what I'd missed when skimming Douthat's piece, like this one:

      Oh, please. Churches are "threatened" by a rule about contraceptives? After two thousand years filled with brutal persecutions and schisms, the church is going to be brought down by birth control pills? Get real.

      And then there's this: " But the typical unchurched American is just as often an underemployed working-class man, whose secularism is less an intellectual choice than a symptom of his disconnection from community in general."

      That is the most breathtakingly condescending misunderstanding of the secular viewpoint I've ever heard. Get out of your bubble, Mr. Douhat, and stop assuming that those evil, godless liberals are destroying America.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 06:24:16 AM PST

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      •  It feels like talking to a conservative (4+ / 0-)
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        is like talking to someone who's had a part of their brain removed. No matter how otherwise intelligent and even decent they might be, something's just not right. Even the more thoughtful-seeming of them seem ultimately driven by an obvious fear of the world and all its complexity, a yearning for safety and simplicity, and a worshipful and reverant view of older white authoritarian males, whom they fear and want to please in a manner I find quite creepy and bizarre. It's like they all belong to this creepy, well-camouflaged cult of older white male worship whose outer, cleaned-up surface is all we get to see, but every now and then a crack in the facade emerges that hints at something far darker and more disturbing inside.

        For people who claim to revere individualism and freedom, they all come across as like-minded followers absolutely terrified of the responsibility and burdens of independant thinking and existance. They are so transparently silly, and sad.

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 06:49:14 AM PST

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