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  •  I like Begich's proposal, but that needs to wait (4+ / 0-)

    until January IMO.   Come January, we'll have more Democratic Senators and less Republicans in the House and there is no more fiscal slope for the austerity crowd to use to attack our earned benefits.

    It just would confuse our messaging and open up wiggle room for the Fix the Debt scumbags to change Social Security their way.

    •  You really think Obama would sign off on (0+ / 0-)

      something regressive.

      Why are we all of sudden afraid to be Democrats?

      •  Yes I do think Obama would sign off on something (4+ / 0-)
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        Timothy J, JesseCW, KJG52, CuriousBoston

        regressive.   I remember what it was like in the summer of 2011, and I don't want us to ever be in that position again.

        I'm sorry, but I am not going to let the Fix the Debt people have any openings.   I also trust Obama less than you do.   If you show that we have the President's back on taxes and SS, then we have a better chance of not getting anything regressive.

        •  This is no longer the summer of 2011. And he's (0+ / 0-)

          smarter than most of us put together.

          The Begich proposal ought to be on the table.

          •  If we were to put the Begich proposal on the table (1+ / 0-)
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            as part of the fiscal slope talks, the Republicans would take it as a signal that we are willing to deal on SS.   They'll come up with a counter-proposal that raises the eligibility age again, they'll insist on a chained COLA(or CPI) and they'll probably push for privatization too.

            I don't want to risk Social Security being up for negotiation, especially when the Fix the Debt people will pivot to bigger Social Security changes so it undercuts the President's $1.6 Trillion in tax increases on the wealthy.  Remember all Street would love any opening where they can avoid their taxes being raised.

            Social Security doesn't contribute to the deficit, and it should rightfully be taken off the table.   Democrats holding firm to it being off the table is the right move.    AARP, and Senators Conrad and Reid say the same thing so our messaging ought to stay united, and progressive.   Keeping SS off the table is the progressive move.

            Begich's plan should wait until January when it can get a standalone up-and-down vote and we proceed from there.

            •  You are unable to support your position based on (0+ / 0-)

              anything other than "fear" of what the Republicans might do.

              That's a sorry way to run a country.

              Funny how folks want Obama to accomplish so much and then fail themselves to get behind good progressive proposals.

              Begich's plan is already on the table and we should support it.


      •  Just have a look at the Catfood Commission (0+ / 0-)

        initiated by Obama.

        "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

        by Bluefin on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:21:01 PM PST

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