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  •  Thanks (7+ / 0-)

    I was just going to post that very link. sandbox is clearly in the same category as Gilad Sharon.
    It is encouraging to read the response in the comments to his article.

    Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you're always afraid. You step out of line, the man come and take you away. - S. Stills

    by ask on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:46:15 PM PST

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    •  Oh, it gets even worse than that (17+ / 0-)

      Now we have a senior Israeli politician threatening to inflict a "bigger Holocaust" (yes he used that word) on the Palestinians.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...

      People are free to defend this language all they want, it doesn't change the fact that they are maniacs.

      •  ironic then, that you aren't allow to refer to (6+ / 0-)

        the Holocaust in the I/P diaries, when the leaders of Israel know that is exactly where they are heading.

        When you disallow a word, you disallow the excavation of truth.

        •  There is no truth so narrow that it requires us to (3+ / 0-)
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          draw a narrow, false and enormously hurtful equivalency between Israelis and Nazis. Anyone who does that is deliberately setting off the emotional equivalent of a scream.

          If there is a point to be made, it can be made far more effectively for the purposes of constructive debate by using some of the other hundreds of thousands of words in our shared language.

          My argument is clearly demonstrated by this very thread. Look at how many dozens of comments have gone into this angry distraction, taking us away from the far more serious subject of this fine diary.

          Just because one shrill maniac in Israel made this comparison, it does not prove we should all make the same mistake.

          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

          by Brecht on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 11:36:24 PM PST

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          •  that "shrill maniac" is Israel's defense minister! (1+ / 0-)
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            he is in a position of great power. And I don't see notice that he's being fired from his job.

            Then there is the column from Sharon's son.

            It is clear that the leadership has an agenda of extinction.

            •  I won't argue with anything in this comment, but, (0+ / 0-)

              UnaSpenser, your previous comment implies there is something wrong with Daily Kos's ban on comparing Israelis to Nazis.

              Read my sig line: I am an ardent advocate of free speech.

              I have no problem with anyone quoting that one specific example of idiocy: it was made, we shouldn't deny it.

              But I have seen plenty of comparisons of Israelis to Nazis made in I/P diaries, and every single one added more heat than light to the debate. So we all just agreed to stop doing it.

              Meteor Blades once accidently uprated someone who had done it, and later came back and made about three separate apologies for his mistake.

              "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

              by Brecht on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 09:21:04 AM PST

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              •  I wasn't arguing for comparisons to Nazis. At all. (0+ / 0-)

                I am arguing that it doesn't make sense to ban the word 'holocaust.' Perhaps I am missing something, but the word is being used by an Israeli leader. Clearly, this is something that is on the minds of those with an agenda to extinguish Palestinians. So, how does it serve us if we disallow use of the word? Aren't we then disallowing an avenue of truth excavation?

                The word has a particular history and, rightfully, people are very sensitive to it. At the same time, if the demographic group who were the target of that action are now committing a similar action, it makes sense that this word is in their inner vocabulary. It is a visceral part of their history and themselves. We are now seeing rhetoric which reflects that.

                I am respectfully wondering:

                Is it possible that if we were allowed to point to what was happening as the signs of an impending holocaust- that we might have been more committed to driving things in a different direction earlier?

                Is it possible that if we hadn't been told that we can't possibly believe that a group who were victims of such a thing might commit a similar act themselves, we would have been more critical of the things they have done which are taking us all there?

                The word 'holocaust' means slaughter on a mass scale. One example of a holocaust is the ones the Nazis committed. It wasn't the only one. And it is possible for any group to be culpable of it. Why are Israelis exempt from this consideration?

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