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  •  One reason is because some important (3+ / 0-)
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    folks thought it was a good idea to remain, to increase troop levels and to have a surge, that Iraq was a bad war (agreed) and that the "right war" was in Afghanistan.

    Others of us were cautious and thought this might not be so wise.

    I think it's finally dawning on most people now that a military victory was never an option in Afghanistan.

    The level of hubris that led us to think that we could go to Afghanistan with our military, be welcomed, and in some way turn it into an obedient US client state with some form of western style government, is unimaginable.

    As far as the threat of terrorism from Afghaistan, here is what former CIA officer named Marc Sageman wrote in his book Fading Jihadists.

    The first wave of al-Qaeda leaders, who joined Osama bin Laden in the 1980s, is down to a few dozen people on the run in the tribal areas of northwest Pakistan. The second wave of terrorists, who trained in al-Qaeda's camps in Afghanistan during the 1990s, has also been devastated, with about 100 hiding out on the Pakistani frontier. These people are genuinely dangerous, says Sageman, and they must be captured or killed. But they do not pose an existential threat to America, much less a "clash of civilizations."

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    Another fool's errand is finally coming to an end. The the process of leaving is going to be interesting to watch.

    Will we ever learn from the past?

    Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

    by truong son traveler on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:17:22 AM PST

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    •  Amen, truong son (1+ / 0-)
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      The level of hubris that led us to think that we could go to Afghanistan with our military, be welcomed, and in some way turn it into an obedient US client state with some form of western style government, is unimaginable.
      The big question is what does end mean?

      Leaving only 20,000 or so troops indefinitely, hiring even more private contractors than the 113,000 there now, or having the state department take over as in Iraq? Or all of the above.

      Getting out of Afghanistan does not seem likely to happen in my lifetime.

      Now in our 12 th year of war there, and General Allen says the goal is.........

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand? David Crosby.

      by allenjo on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 07:26:30 AM PST

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