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    •  I assume that gym employees are (2+ / 0-)
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      there on a voluntary basis. But I have no idea really. I guess in the end if they are open I'm going to go. I don't see what the benefit to society would be for me to stay home while it's open.

      •  They probably aren't. (10+ / 0-)

        At best they signed up for the job knowing that they would have to work on days they rather would not, and they have traded work on Thanksgiving for a day off that is important to them.  

        Back in the day, people used to have Sunday off.  For some reason the Religious Right is perfectly fine with the Sabbath-breaking that affects our land.  (Two states were progressive, in that they allowed non-Christians to close on a different day of the week, usually Saturday.)

        "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

        by Yamaneko2 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:48:04 AM PST

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        •  Well, as long is it was disclosed and (1+ / 0-)
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          they made the choice to take that job on their own volition, I guess I don't have a problem with it. Every gym in the country, if open, has shorter hours on Thanksgiving anyhow. To me it is an excellent thing to do on that day (exercise) and other than going to a drug store or grocery store to get some last-minute items, I'd never think of actually shopping on Thanksgiving (or Black Friday).

          •  Would it kill you (8+ / 0-)

            not to go to the gym just for one day?

          •  It started off as "voluntary" (5+ / 0-)

            and slowly became mandatory.

            Your boss asks if you'd "like" to work on a holiday and you decline?  No, because you know that will come up in your review as not being a "team player" for working holidays.  

            I know people who work on Christmas Morning at movie theatres.  Sucks.

            "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

            by Damnit Janet on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:35:21 AM PST

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            •  See, I'm conflicted about Christmas and Sundays (4+ / 0-)

              (someone above mentioned Sundays).  I live near places that have Blue Laws, so most stores are closed on Sundays.  But if you're not religious, like my husband and I, that takes away one of our 2 convenient shopping days - we both work late during the week so unless stores are open until 10 or later, it's tough for us to do shopping on weekdays.  I can understand some people wanting Sunday off, but on the other hand, if you're not religious or don't have kids, it seems like a waste of a day.

              Christmas I get conflicted about as well.  My husband is atheist; I'm agnostic at best.  If it weren't for having Christian extended family that celebrates the holiday, we wouldn't at all.  Since it is mostly a Christian holiday, I can understand people of other religions (or non-religious) wanting services to be available.  It kind of sucks that you're forced to have a day where you can't do anything because everything is closed even though you're not celebrating anything.   Sort of like Easter - we don't celebrate Easter at all, yet if places are open it's on a reduced schedule usually.  

              But Thanksgiving I am unconflicted about - it's a national, secular holiday.  No reason anyone other than essential services (medical, etc.) need to be working.

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              I’m a feminist because the message is still "don’t get raped" not "don’t rape"

              by Avilyn on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 09:31:39 AM PST

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              •  Trust me, I'm not a christian (2+ / 0-)
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                but I'm a hard worker who does deserve one day off during the holidays.   Ever woirked in a store Thanksgiving to Xmas?  It's long hours and hard work.  Two days off is all we are asking.  

                I can't buy hard liquor here on Sundays so I plan.  My job doesn't have banking hours.  So I plan.  Most of my banking is done online now.  Before the holidays I plan to gas up my car.  Buy extra butter and spices.  I plan ahead.

                I don't expect others to cater to my needs - religious or otherwise.

                I'm not sure where your conflict is?  You can't shop on certain days(?) I don't know of any town where all the stores are closed on Sunday.  Sounds like an area that doesn't allow dancing or drinking either :)  

                Americans see shopping as an "activity".  I just don't get it.  I like to go for walks, kayak, play games with my kids.  

                Hmmm My family volunteers a lot of their time instead of out bustin doors.  

                Hope you find something to do.  :)

                "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

                by Damnit Janet on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 09:38:48 AM PST

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                •  Well, (1+ / 0-)
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                  I'm not a big fan of shopping, unless it's online, or a
                  bookstore.  :-)  And I do plan ahead as much as possible with groceries and such.  But I'm saying I understand why places like movie theaters, bowling alleys, etc. would want to stay open on Christmas, since that's a Christian holiday.  I would be opposed to forcing anyone to work it who wants to celebrate with their family, but for the non-Christians who don't celebrate it, I don't see why we should be forced to sit at home with no options
                  because everything is closed.  So I'm conflicted because on the one hand I don't think employees should be forced to work it, but on the other hand, I like having
                  options and places open for my convenience.

                  The Girl Who Loved Stories
                  I’m a feminist because the message is still "don’t get raped" not "don’t rape"

                  by Avilyn on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 09:47:53 AM PST

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                  •  forced to work (2+ / 0-)
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                    is much worse than sitting at home on Christmas.

                    You have numerous options.

                    Nature.  And it's freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and almost always is open.

                    I a sure you can get by without bowling, going to the gym, watching a movie on a widely accepted holiday such as Tday and xmas.  

                    Or you could even volunteer at a soup kitchen.  

                    I know of a great Thai diner that is open year round. :)

                    "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

                    by Damnit Janet on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 09:58:46 AM PST

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                    •  The problem I have is that (1+ / 0-)
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                      it's a Christian holiday, and this is not a Christian
                      nation. There is no national religion.  I don't see
                      why one religion's holidays should be given
                      preference over anothers.  What about
                      everywhere closing for Yom Kippur, or Diwali?
                      It doesn't seem fair to favor one particular
                      religious holiday over others.  That said, I don't
                      think anyone should be forced to work it - if
                      it is a holiday they celebrate, they should be
                      able to take off without reprecussion.  

                      And I'm only talking about the religious holidays
                      here (Xmas, Easter, etc) - not Thanksgiving.  Thanksgiving is a national, secular holiday and I
                      agree no one should have to work it.

                      The Girl Who Loved Stories
                      I’m a feminist because the message is still "don’t get raped" not "don’t rape"

                      by Avilyn on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:26:03 AM PST

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                      •  Ahhh. I see. (3+ / 0-)
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                        I don't view xmas as a religious holiday.  :)  I can't connect the dots when it comes to christian holidays and their tradition.  Santa Claus? Easter Bunny?  Who are they kidding? LOL

                        I see Christmas as more of a surviving the winter.  Feasting and resting from hard work.  Celebrating the bounty and sharing it.

                        But we don't volunteer just this time of year.  We do it all year long.  My family is anti-war and anti-hunger.  Both could be ended today if we had the will to do it.

                        For many of us low income workers xmas and tday are just two breathers from a hard season.  

                        America really doesn't do "holidays" religious or not.  It's all just about consuming.  A part of the machine that spits us all out.  Religious or otherwise.

                        Peace :)

                        "Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

                        by Damnit Janet on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:40:33 AM PST

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            •  I used to work at my (2+ / 0-)

              Theater job every christmas and Easter. I'm Jewish. There are so many real injustices in this world, why go out of our way to make some up?

        •  Well, except for Chick-Fil-A (4+ / 0-)
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          which I've been urging people to boycott for almost three decades because of their pompous religiosity in closing on Sundays in a mall in a heavily Jewish city here.

          Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07.

          by anastasia p on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 07:16:42 AM PST

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      •  Maybe you should ask. (9+ / 0-)

        If it turns out that they're required to be there, think about  skipping one day at the gym.

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:55:25 AM PST

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      •  As a former health care worker (21+ / 0-)

        I know that many people do sign up to work on holidays.  Since I live in a border state, there were Canadians working with me who didn't mind working Thanksgiving, people other than Christians who didn't mind working on Christmas, and some people who wouldn't be celebrating the holidays for some other reason and looked forward to the holiday pay, or the chance to swap another day that was more important to them.  We were working with a reduced staff, so it was usually not a bad deal.  I assume that gyms staff the same way.  Retail stores - not so much.

      •  If (11+ / 0-)

        no customers showed, there would be no reason to keep the doors open, therefore no need for employees to spend time away from their families on this "family holiday".

        Boycotts make the point in a way every business understands.

        I used to work at the airport, and had to work every holiday when my children were young.  Nobody should have to do that, unless absolutely necessary.  But at least an airport was necessary, a gym is not.

        I, for one, will take a nice jog, instead.

        "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

        by Bcre8ve on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 07:54:11 AM PST

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    •  that would mean: Police, fire, EMT... (5+ / 0-)

      ... hospital workers, and ER doctors.  Military and intel community.  Prison guards.  Each of their essential support staffs such as dispatchers.  That's about all.  They can split the weekend up in such a manner that everyone gets three days in a row off.

      Sanitation only comes to work if there's snow or storm cleanup.  Water, sewer, power, and telecoms, only come to work if there's an emergency or natural disaster.  

      There might be allowance for "core stores" that sell essentials such as milk, bread, gasoline, toilet paper, and so on, by special permit, and with regulations to split the time off in the same manner as for other essential workers.  These permissions would be limited to basically one such store in each neighborhood for each holiday.

      Everyone else gets to stay home.  

      We got the future back.

      by G2geek on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 09:13:05 AM PST

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