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  •  Well... (3+ / 0-)
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    I have friends who are in almost all ways otherwise "Progressive," routinely saying you can't trust science or "Western" medicine because it is "all controlled by corporate interests."  
    I have to agree with your friends. I'm Progressive and we CAN trust science in most instances, but we cannot trust "Western" medicine, and that is an absolute in my opinion.

    And why would you trust it?  I encourage you to get a used copy of this book and read it and then ponder what you know from your own experience about healing!  

    The book is, "Lectures on Homoeopathic Philosophy" by Dr. James Tyler Kent, MD.  Absorb Lectures I and II. Then find yourself a classical homeopathist who practices the Advanced Teachings of the 5th and 6th Organon, as written and defined by Dr. Samuel Hahnemann.

    It won't take you long to realize that the Western medicine/pill doctors never heal the human body or the human mind.  

    Just read it please and then we can talk!  BTW, does that make me 1/2 Progressive? LOL

    •  I agree, I don't trust western medicine (3+ / 0-)
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      because I've personally a) had bad experiences with it, and therefore b) done much better with alternative forms of healing.

      Another good source that raise your hair as it goes into the history of the AMA and its quest for marketplace dominance in the 1800s, is the book "When Healing Becomes a Crime" by Kenny Ausubel, which is available on Amazon:

      http://www.amazon.com/...

      That said, I am not an absolutist. I recognize there is a place for the more invasive treatments that western medicine prefers. When I work with clients who prefer or chose the western approach I use my skills as a Jin Shin Jyutsu practitioner to support them as they undergo the procedures.

      So I guess I'm a 3/4 progressive ;)

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      by jan4insight on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:22:49 PM PST

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    •  Ask Steve Jobs about his dislike of W medicine (10+ / 0-)

      Maybe he would have lived longer or beat his pancreatic cancer if he started traditional treatment sooner.

      •  Yeah, didn't expect to have examples (1+ / 0-)
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        of what I was talking about immediately respond and make my point.  

        Ignorance (or True Believers) exists in far greater numbers in the Republican Party, but there's plenty of it in our midst.

        Sadly, you can't even have this conversation with people who don't get Science.

    •  So if you get an infection or a serious disease (17+ / 0-)

      I trust you don't go to the doctor. If your child had strep throat or a serious fever, you'd just go to a homeopath?

      Is it just a crazy coincidence that smallpox isn't rampant now. Probably had nothing to do with vaccines. Maybe god just waved his magic wand.

      Science - lol. Next you're going to expect me to believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old!

      Btw, the anti-vax movement has killed a lot of kids. That should make you feel a little bad, but I doubt it.

      Btw, for those of you that don't know about homeopathy:

      The premise of homeopathy is that water has memory, and if you dilute a substance to the extent that there are ZERO MOLECULES of the active ingredient, it just makes it more powerful.

      I am not making this up. Homeopathic medicine contains literally zero of the supposed active ingredient. It's water or an empty pill. In fact, the less of the ingredient the better.

      Sorry, but you're no better than flat earthers. If there are flat earthers who support the rights of women and LGBT people etc then I have no problem working with you on that.

      But you're in no way pro-science, and you cannot dispute flat earthers without being a hypocrite.

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 01:30:24 PM PST

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      •  Supplementary rant on (6+ / 0-)
        I have to agree with your friends. I'm Progressive and we CAN trust science in most instances, but we cannot trust "Western" medicine, and that is an absolute in my opinion.
        The book is, "Lectures on Homoeopathic Philosophy" by Dr. James Tyler Kent, MD.  Absorb Lectures I and II. Then find yourself a classical homeopathist who practices the Advanced Teachings of the 5th and 6th Organon, as written and defined by Dr. Samuel Hahnemann.
        First, you are utterly ignoring the scientific method with your opening statement, rather quickly contradicting yourself in regards to support of science.

        Getting into homeopathy, Dr. Samuel Hahnemann effectively invented homeopathy, the Organon is his book on the subject.  Last updated in 1841 at the height of medical knowledge.  Courtesy of wikipedia:

        While translating William Cullen's A Treatise on the Materia Medica, Hahnemann encountered the claim that cinchona, the bark of a Peruvian tree, was effective in treating malaria because of its astringency. Hahnemann believed that other astringent substances are not effective against malaria and began to research cinchona's effect on the human body by self-application. Noting that the drug induced malaria-like symptoms in himself, he concluded that it would do so in any healthy individual. This led him to postulate a healing principle: "that which can produce a set of symptoms in a healthy individual, can treat a sick individual who is manifesting a similar set of symptoms."
        So if say... garlic... was known to produce bad breath in a healthy individual, a person with bad breath should then take garlic to cure his condition.  Behold, the wonders of science!

        Stealing from PhillyJeff above:

        The premise of homeopathy is that water has memory, and if you dilute a substance to the extent that there are ZERO MOLECULES of the active ingredient, it just makes it more powerful.
        Water is constantly in motion in its liquid state, due to ionic interactions and thermal energy.  There is no memory of a substance as any molecules present before a substance is removed will be redistributed to fill in the gap left.  So, no scientific basis for homeopathy.
        •  Tour de force supplementary rant (0+ / 0-)

          nominally about "homeopathy," but one could "fill in the blank" with all sorts of "alternatives" to science that are widely believed by well intentioned (and unfortunately deluded) friends on "our" side.  

          Must be nature's way of making sure the rapidly overpopulating human race will thin itself out eventually.  No matter who is in charge.

    •  no offense (6+ / 0-)

      but as far as anecdotal evidence might get me, here's a quick anecdote.  I was diagnosed w/stage 4 cancer of the throat and neck in 2005.  I went to Western doctors, did everything they told me, and I'm right here wasting time on my computer!  There is no doubt in my mind that they saved my life.  Anything COULD be true or possible, but I KNOW this is.  

      the best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity

      by mailman27 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 03:02:18 PM PST

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    •  This is nonsensical (11+ / 0-)

      "Western medicine" is nothing more or less than the application of scientific principles-- how we understand what is and isn't so, what we can and cannot know-- to the art of healing. It is imperfect, as is our knowledge. Certainly its application can be very imperfect. But you cannot consistently say you "trust science" but not medicine-- and talk about the nonscience of homeopathy as a logical substitute. You are contradicting yourself.

      You are also completely wrong when you claim that "western medicine never heals the human body or the human mind." That happens every day, multiple times a day. I saw someone three days ago who had a blood clot physically pulled out of his left middle cerebral artery by "western medicine". A reliance on homeopathy would have left him paralyzed and unable to speak.

      Go spew your worthless ignorance elsewhere.

      •  It is also rather silly.... (2+ / 0-)
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        ....to call it "Western medicine" or "Western science," as if there were different version that were equally valid. Anyone who has looked at the history of science has immediately discovered that "Western" science was built on a foundation of Islamic, Indian, and Chinese science, and that all these cultures are actively contributing to modern science today.

        Nope. There is no "Western" science. Using that term is irreducibly Eurocentric. There is science, a project to which virtually the whole world has contributed and continues to contribute, and there is woo, which contributes little except to the pocketbooks and egos of those peddling it.

        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

        by sagesource on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:45:39 PM PST

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