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  •  You said: (3+ / 0-)
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    Bulldozer, A Siegel, HeyMikey

    Not true:

    The EPA has established a new, maximum allowable CO2 emission level from new power plants.  That standard essentially outlaws typical coal fired power plants. Give Obama credit for it, please.
    EPA has not set any numerical maximum allowable CO2 emission standard.   They've set threshold criteria for considering when a new or modified air pollutant source is a major source or major source modification under the Clean Air Act.   That isn't the same as setting a maximum CO2 emission limitation.
    •  True but (0+ / 0-)

      this is almost a distinction without a difference.  The NSPS effectively outlaws new coal fired power plants that do not have some CO2 control technology (as the other poster alluded).  So, we're done with old-style dirt burners in this country (other countries will follow).  

      •  Yes, but (another example of Lesser Evil) (0+ / 0-)

        The EPA has those rules. They are a large factor in the switch from coal to natural gas, which puts out about half as much CO2 per unit of electricity as coal, and less other pollutants as well.

        But without progressively-more-restrictive rules, we're likely to stay with natural gas for a long time, without converting a large % of our grid power to renewables. That would be an improvement, but not enough of one to prevent significant harm from climate change.

        Yet another example of the Obama administration as the Lesser Evil. I voted for him, and I'm grateful we managed to keep Romney out of office. But I yearn for what might have been, for what could be & should be.

        "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

        by HeyMikey on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 08:06:15 AM PST

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      •  What are you talking about? (1+ / 0-)
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        Roger Fox

        I read your response and it makes absolutely no sense to me and I'm a 34 year member of the Air & Waste Management Association and an expert witness on air pollution control matters..

        You are conflating some kind of misunderstanding about the changes the Obama EPA made to New Source Review into something it isn't.

        Nothing in the NSPS changes for combustion units does what say it does -- "effectively outlaw new coal fired power plants."

        That never happened and that is not the effect of NSPS changes and that will not be the effect of requiring a BACT review for greenhouse gases for new or modified sources that exceed the major source/major modification threshold under the Clean Air Act.

        If you're going to talk about New Source Review under the Federal Clean Air Act, please take far more care to understand what it really means.

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