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  •  it doesn't offend me but it will offend - (4+ / 0-)

    and they'll be extremely superior about it, along with a fair amount of bullying and baiting, accusations, etc., etc.  good luck. :)

    i'm taking your diary at face value.  i think there's a worldview a lot like yours; and then the american view, which is, to say the least, complicated and rife with its own propagandists to jump in and attack whenever that view isn't spewed forth.

    i don't know if you're a propagandist either - you very well may be.  but either way, diaries of this topic are always kind of a shitshow.  in the end, i'll always be counted as someone who wants to hear other, minority, and/or authentic views.  thanks for your diary.

    Romney in a landslide!

    by jj24 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:44:32 PM PST

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    •  I'm not (11+ / 0-)

      a propagandist. I'm simply a 60-something lady with an apparently unpopular (here) view on this subject. I already knew it was not popular in the US generally. I probably have a few more unpopular views, too. I was taught by my parents to think for myself and to question authority if I thought it was wrong. I still do. That's all.

      •  Read through some of the other I/P diaries (10+ / 0-)

        Not unpopular, just the choice of expression does not help your argument.

        Some of this is also about depth of knowledge on the subject - one can make the argument that Israel is doing the wrong thing both in general (occupation and oppression) and in this specific case (civilian casualties, disproportionate response) without bringing up the specific examples of concentration camps and apartheid. Neither of those metaphors fits well enough for them to apply and when you use them I feel you distract from instead of add to your point.

        BTW, I have some disagreements with your point, but I am a big fan of vigorous discussion and debate especially on hot issues such as I/P. I have overall been impressed with the quality of the discourse on DKos especially given how deeply emotional this issue is for so many (including myself).

        If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
        If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
        If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

        by A Gutin Daf on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 03:03:06 PM PST

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      •  I sympathize... (6+ / 0-)

        Every time I dare to participate in this kind of conversation, I feel as though I must explain that I do not hate Jewish people and that I only want what is best for the Jews living in Israel, which is a long-term peace settlement.

        Unfortunately, I believe that the Israeli people have been manipulated by poor leadership into some very bad choices re: the Palestinians.  It is my hope that they will one day one day achieve the peace they desire.

      •  Well, Here (1+ / 0-)
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        you have an unfriendly counter POV on the matter.  The site is about electing more better , and sometimes democrats.  Not about advancing Human Rights, not about social Justice, not about rational foreign policy choices, it is about electoral politics.  
        I hope you visit here often, but don't expect that this site is about justice and rational foreign policy.  

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