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  •  After reading this and other comments (1+ / 0-)
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    JNEREBEL

    Do you still think my "Trying to turn this site into MondoFront" comment is that funny? Because pretty much it is shit like this that makes that comment completely true.

    I mean you did see this part of the diary:

    There are many parallels between the actions of ghetto Jews in WWII and Palestinians today, up to and including kidnappings, killings, and bombings. In the days of the Holocaust, these actions were considered "heroic"; now they are merely "terroristic", thanks to the Israeli publicity machine.
    and you can't donut that???? What can you donut then?

    "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

    by volleyboy1 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 04:29:17 PM PST

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    •  Strange are the ways of donuts... (0+ / 0-)

      Assuming this diarist is as new as the UID suggests, my comment above states my position. I'm assuming you read it, though perhaps you only read ITSCS's reply.

      As for your MondoFront comment, it did make me laugh a little as it dredged up memories of squabbles of yore, most of which are now fought elsewhere, though somewhat one-handedly.

      And as for donuts? I prefer the bomboloni freshly baked and blisteringly hot from the little stand at the top of the hill in Sidi Bou Said.

      Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

      by angry marmot on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 04:51:51 PM PST

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      •  OY... marmot... This is blatently offensive (1+ / 0-)
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        mahakali overdrive

        BUT, look at the follow- up comments and the fact that this P.O.S. has 15 recs.

        Those comments don't deserve a second chance.

        BUT you know what's worse? The fact that there are new users who think they can come here and make Stormfront or Davidduke.com like comments and that they will be just dandy.

        That I think is the real problem here. Not this remarkable combination of stupidity and racism.

        "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

        by volleyboy1 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:00:17 PM PST

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      •  We need to be careful with both sides (2+ / 0-)
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        of the rhetoric. I want to strongly suggest that. And I know that you know I am equal opportunity -- 150% -- when it comes to I-P issues. Bigotry is bigotry, and none of it is appropriate for this site, which sets the standard for what Progressive discourse on this issue looks like. Avoiding extremism is quintessential for our integrity on this matter. And that means any type of bigoted speech must be dealt with as is appropriate for the Daily Kos as a political platform. I firmly believe that.

        I'm saying this to you because I have known you for a long time here, am always pleased to see you, rec you regularly, and feel really just warmly toward you. But the statement is more of a general reminder to all then a reminder to any one person; it's not aimed at you -- it's that it would be good, whatever previous MondoFront comments were made in the past, to look at what's in front of us now... I think this is the essence of what makes one a Progressive, in many ways... and to consider whether it's suitable and ethical and appropriate. There's so much hate speech in this diary and comments on both sides that it's staggering, and the same holds true in some (not all, but some) other diaries on this topic lately. So I want to invoke Robinswing who used to run SistahSpeak, which was a series here which ran alongside of BlackKos in many ways (she was a former editor), and her aim was to call out and to reject bigotry toward African-Americans and others when she saw it; if that was not her sole aim, it was at least part of it, for she didn't mince words. And when she spoke about hard truths, and her speech was uplifting, she would say "Now go tell that." So I want to say what I have said here -- that we cannot afford, as Progressives, to let extremist or bigoted or racist rhetoric dominate or define the discourse surrounding Israel-Palestine. Now go tell that! ;)

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