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  •  the propaganda elicits the emotional charge. (1+ / 0-)
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    stop the propaganda, and the picture becomes a lot clearer.

    i don't know the I/P game, frankly - i'm just a liberal out here with an opinion, based on what i know, read, see, discuss.  some "land mines" i know - some i don't - and some i don't understand why they exist.  the meta is over the top.  why not assume there's a difference of opinion and leave it at that?

    i think the connections between present-day israel and the fate the jews suffered in WWII is the no-brainer, obvious one.  it's the first question, from someone who doesn't know anything about it.  it's not supposed to be offensive - it's just people, looking from the outside in, and saying, "what the fuck?  how can this be?"  and having to readjust the cognitive dissonance with reality.

    at least, that was my experience.  it became this rude awakening from some anne frank romanticism i grew up with.  i'm sure the pro-israel people here would be delighted if i equated the beloved anne frank with the modern-day israeli government's actions.  but somehow, i believe she would denounce it with all her heart and soul.

    Romney in a landslide!

    by jj24 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:50:58 PM PST

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    •  because while the topic is next to impossible to (4+ / 0-)

      discuss--it becomes even MORE difficult with over-the-top rhetorical comparisons.

      Yes, the 'meta' is over the top. I don't dispute that.

      •  i do also acknowledge that TP community (1+ / 0-)
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        on both sides of this issue are well represented here.  they know each others' points like a salesman, armed with the usual objections.

        so that when someone who isn't them comes along, and strikes on a talking point, they unwittingly make themselves a target of the other side.  a lot is inferred, with a "yes you do know" kind of accusation... lol.  i am really hoping, however, that the support for palestinians increases and we get something approaching an honest discussion about this before it gets any worse.

        Romney in a landslide!

        by jj24 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:21:39 PM PST

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        •  Except that you don't believe in honest (0+ / 0-)

          discussion. You just want to make racist statements and spout nonsense.

          There are plenty of Pro-P people here that while I disagree with them, I would not say they are racist or anti-Semitic. You just want a forum to discuss your right wing talking points. There's a difference.

          "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

          by volleyboy1 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 08:13:56 AM PST

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          •  Have you seen that she left and (1+ / 0-)
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            replayed a lot of this with a black poster here right after this, and it inspired another black poster to write a diary, a whole diary, about how hurtful it was?

            Yep.

            •  Not surprised... Standard Paulist/Racist fare. (0+ / 0-)

              AND... it seems to be accepted here by the Admins. I mean Russgirl reprinted some stuff straight off Stormfront, got multiple complaints and not only is she not banned (as she should be) BUT is still a T.U. - It's ridiculous and eventually I think that will hurt the site as I somehow don't think that Markos wants his blog to be a place where racists and other "knuckle draggers" feel comfortable to be around.

              "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

              by volleyboy1 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 04:06:21 PM PST

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