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  •  I have tried for several years to organize (1+ / 0-)
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    a March for Legal Accountability, in DC. Then my disabilities made it impossible for me to use a regular phone, which makes it very difficult to contact the organizations big enough to make the logistics of a large march , . I've emailed to the bulk email addresses, but have never received a response. HOWEVER, at Netroots Nation in June I sat at the same table with two of the people from Human Rights First, and am working with them to  bring together such a march.

    Communicating and posting on DKos has been very important, because there are people who care about and fight for the issue every day from all over North America, and one of the places we share information, organize,  and bring new people to the cause is right here.

    And yes,  joe shikspack's point is a good one, although I have a lawyer in DC all lined up get the permit when we are ready. Instead of making assumptions, and carping about what we should and should not be doing, how about helping with the heavy lifting.

    BTW, in 2010, I moved  Vancouver from to Ottawa, 3000 miles, to push the Canadian government to repatriate Omar Khadr, so I have put my body where my mouth is.

             Standing for justice and accountability,
                            For Dan,

    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

    by Chacounne on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 05:47:25 PM PST

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    •  I think protests now may be counterproductive (0+ / 0-)

      But I've been posting on Daily Kos for a while now and I'm a regular user like yourself.  However, I've been on online forums much earlier than Daily Kos or any grassroots online websites were founded and I can tell you, there are A LOT of flakes on the Internet.  That's just the nature of it.  Daily Kos is an exception because people really do give a damn.

      However, the problem with Daily Kos is that people here don't always think objectively and outside the box.  Protests are important but only as a last resort.  I mean, it is entirely possible to communicate with Dennis Kucinich and other anti-war Democrats to hold more hearings on the Bush crimes.  Those can be productive.

      Protests on the other hand, might not be as productive as you might think nowadays, especially now that Obama has been in office for four years now and re-elected.  He's already been rolling back just about every executive order from Bush's years and a lot of craziness so we're moving in the right direction.  Now we just need to clean up the Bush crimes and other messes and we're good to go.

      •  Ummmm, (0+ / 0-)

        if you look at your FIRST comment in this diary you urge us to bring people to DC for a huge protest. Now you are saying that protests now may be counterproductive. I am not buying what you are selling.

        Yes, I agree that more hearing is a good idea. I have an invitation to meet with Senator Whitehouse the next time I am in DC, which will hopefully be in February.

                        Standing for justice and accountability,
                                          For Dan,

        Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

        by Chacounne on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 01:10:39 PM PST

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        •  You're getting sidetracked too much (0+ / 0-)

          I'm offering an objective analysis into addressing your cause in, should I say, a more reasonable approach with all possibilities thought out.

          People today don't realize but there are a lot of business skills they can learn to do outreach.  IT, Social Media, Internet, even programming, technology, the works.

          I've been accustomed to computers and IT technology before even the movie Wargames was released and if you recall, that film was about the big supercomputer WOPR which almost caused WWIII in the film.  I must say, not enough people on here recognize the potential to maximize.

          How about instead of just simply talking about protesting vs. communicating with Congress, let's list all of the possibilities of:

          1)  What has or hasn't been done
          2)  What we want to do but can't do
          3)  What we have accomplished but didn't do as much of.  And for what reason(s)?
          4)  What would be a great idea and we haven't accomplished before?
          5)  What can we do that is organized that isn't always done by protesting?
          6)  How can outreach be done to people at all levels without protesting?   Can this be done to pressure those like Congressmen in a campaign or tactic where thousands and thousands of people e-mail or call them every day until they hold hearings?

          Strategy my friend, strategy.  If you care for your country so much, you need to think strategy.  Not enough people on Daily Kos work in business but you don't need to be Mitt Romney in order to work effectively in marketing.

          •  You actually don't know who works (0+ / 0-)

            or who has worked in business on Daily Kos unless they have actually told you.

            I am working on a several pronged strategy:
               a) in visits to DC after the inauguration to lobby senators
                             and congressional reps, and the administration
               b) an email and letter writing campaign to senators and
                             congressional reps and the administration
               c) a youtube campaign with tojustice rture survivors and
                             family members
               d) the March for Accountability

                    Standing for justice and accountability,
                                   For Dan,

            Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is inflicting it on whom.

            by Chacounne on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:59:46 PM PST

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            •  Then why don't they tell me? (0+ / 0-)

              I barely hear enough talk about IT or even business analysis on Daily Kos.  In fact, NO ONE talks about business analysis.  No one even understands what it is or even what a business analyst is.  Well, perhaps they can explain it to me and I'd be happy to listen.

              That's good that you are working on a strategy at the moment.  Now, in the premise of marketing:

              1)  What are the response rates?  As in, what kind of people are responding?  How many people are signing up to your campaign?  Is it growing rapidly or slowly?

              2)  Have you used the same message as before or are you looking to change the message based on responses from activists or non-activists?

              3)  For the You Tube campaign, how many stats are you receiving? (i.e. how many comments)?

              I don't need to ask more questions but I invite you to offer me some data.

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