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  •  You have it backwards (8+ / 0-)

    The God of the Old Testament is fine, and I wish Kossacks would stop misrepresenting the OT.

    The OT is the one that talks about mandatory taxation for the poor, the stranger, and the widow.

    The OT is the one that says do not upset the immigrant, for you were immigrants in Egypt.

    The OT is the one that says give equal justice to rich and poor.

    The OT is the one that says "I desire mercy not sacrifice".

    The OT is the one that says do not withhold your hand against the poor.

    And the OT is the one that doesn't say believe in me or be consigned to hell where the fires are never quenched.  It doesn't say that deeds won't save you, only your faith.

    It says:

    Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and sabbath and the calling of assemblies -- I cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates; ... Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your doings from before my eyes; cease to do evil, learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; defend the fatherless, plead for the widow.
    Every time I see Kossacks make invidious comparisons between the Old and New Testaments I will respond.  Call out hypocrisy if you must.  Call out the irrationality of all religion if you must.  But I won't stand for all this stuff about how when Christians misbehave it's because they're ignoring the kindly Christian Bible in favor of the vengeful Jewish one.
    •  A different picture than that I was taught (2+ / 0-)

      In fundamentalist church school, but . . . Point taken.

      "Let's see what fresh fuckwittery these dolts can contrive to torment themselves with this time." -- Iain Banks, The Hydrogen Sonata

      by Rikon Snow on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 04:45:06 PM PST

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    •  Leviticus calls for my execution. (4+ / 0-)

      I don't call that "fine."

    •  the god in the old testament is fine? (4+ / 0-)

      that has to be the most hilarious thing I've ever heard. i realize these events didn't occur, aren't real, and basically are fiction,  but that being said, said being did the following and/or is responsible for the following:

      -burned two cities to the ground
      -flooded the planet, killing almost everything
      -ordered whole tribes wiped out
      -killed the first born of an entire nation, after killing their food and giving them diseases
      -even sent bears to maul some kids to death (although in its defense, the kids were jerks.)
      -tortured a dude based on a bet with its rival/enemy, who we're supposed to be scared of, but has a death toll of almost none.

      and that's just for starters.



      go ahead and call it out and accuse me of cherry picking.  the death toll, at the hands of this being you describe as fine is in the many millions before you even get to the new testament which blah blah blah lake of fire (also not real) blah blah everyone will die in the end times (also not real, and that book probably was written by someone suffering from ergotism.)

      (i will admit i enjoy the song of Solomon, and the bear story, well, those kids shouldn't have been bullies.)

      if only some charismatic person would come along and edit those things out. then you all wouldn't have to cherrypick.

      pseudoscience can kill

      by terrypinder on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:48:35 PM PST

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      •  You can criticize the whole Bible if you wish (0+ / 0-)

        But I object to saying that the Old (Jewish) Bible is wicked and vengeful while the New (Christian) one is loving and kind.

        The punishments in the OT are cruel, but at least they are for alleged sins.  Sodom and Gomorrah, for instance, (allegedly) hated strangers and threatened to rape them, according to the account in Genesis, and according to the words of Ezekiel, Sodom "had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy".  In short, the Sodomites were punished for greed and xenophobia -- that is, for acting like modern Republicans.  It's a morality fable designed to teach a lesson -- it didn't really happen, you know -- unless you believe Lot's wife was really turned into a pillar of salt!

        Whereas in the NT, everybody deserves damnation, and good deeds don't save you:  you are pardoned and go to heaven if you believe Jesus is son of God, and are sent to eternal torture in the lake of fire in hell if you don't.  Your good deeds don't bring you rewards -- it's the other way around: your faith brings you grace which causes you to do good deeds.

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