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  •  Yes, but (1+ / 0-)
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    LilithGardener

    you don't need faith in a deity for that. You can just believe in your own immune system. And, yeah, I've heard of the whole stress hormone thing--but, again, you can be a complete atheist and still reduce your stress hormones.

    And sometimes it won't help, no matter what you do--take it from someone who buried his childhood best friend--the most devout person I've ever met who had a whole church praying for her--at 15. Reduced stress hormones weren't going to cure that particular strain of leukemia--and hundreds of people directly praying to god for intervention did, as usual, fuck-all.

    "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

    by ChurchofBruce on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:38:12 PM PST

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    •  My comment is making the same point you are (0+ / 0-)

      making.

      Having faith in placebo controlled clinical trials doesn't have anything to do with religion.

      Having faith in your doctor that they are giving you good advice, when they suggest treatment for an illness or disease doesn't have anything to do with religion.

      And yes there are many ways to reduce stress, and whichever one you choose, it works better if you believe it will relax you.  It's a self-reinforcing process.

      Even measurable with something as simple as caffeine. People who know they are drinking caffeinated coffee have larger physicological responses than people who think they are drinking decaffeinated coffee.

      PS. Sorry about losing your friend.

      •  Good. Yes, we are in agreement. (1+ / 0-)
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        Placebos--I take Prozac. It changed my life. I have had skeptics tell me that Prozac does nothing, "depression" doesn't really exist, it's all placebo, and all I'm doing is giving my money away to Big Pharma.

        My response: "If the drastic changes I've seen since Prozac are a placebo, well, then I will gladly pay Big Pharma for those little pills to completely fool my brain as long as it works." :)

        "Maybe: it's a vicious little word that could slay me"--Sara Bareilles

        by ChurchofBruce on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 08:23:08 AM PST

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        •  Glad you found something that works for you - (0+ / 0-)

          what most people don't realize is that the placebo effect even works with surgery.

          There was a study on knee surgery, where people who thought they had the surgery recovered just as well as those who actually had the surgery.  What's going on with the mind/body connection is still largely a mystery. We know how to intervene in many acute conditions, but don't know what makes people healthy.

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