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  •  Zero, zip, nada. (16+ / 0-)

    I LOATHE the "reality TV" genre.  I hated "Survivor" with the heat of a thousand white-hot suns, and nothing's changed since those days.

    P.S.  Thank you for the mention, but de nada and all that.  I'm rec'in' and runnin', but if I'm out of here before your propane diary posts, I'll be back to catch up later.

    XO.

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    by Aji on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:55:01 AM PST

    •  I really like Survivor- I've watched (3+ / 0-)

      since the beginning.  Its like watching a society form almost from scratch each time.  I know that people who don't watch think that it's always the 'popular kids' winning out over the rest, or the older people being pushed aside, or something like that, but it almost never works out that way.    

      There are good people who sometimes win, bad people who get too far, and lots of angst from good people who are afraid of turning into bad people! A lot like real life.

      I'm also pretty sure that the situations are, for the most part, pretty genuine.   Contestants consistently say that after a day or two you forget about the cameras.  Some really are under great stress- emotional and physical.  Losing 30 or 40 pounds isn't unusual- there was a marine drill sergeant one season who quit- saying it was the hardest thing he ever did!  Others thrive.  

      It may not be everyone's thing, but I do think its mostly legit.

      •  The very fact that they mocked and exploited . . . (1+ / 0-)
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        indigenous cultures was enough for me to hold it in nothing but contempt.  And I did hear once from someone allegedly involved in production that a huge amount of it was actually artificial, from Day One.  They just kept a lid on it to promote the conflict and controversy.

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        by Aji on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 04:21:07 PM PST

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        •  I've seen every episode and I'd be interested (1+ / 0-)
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          to hear what exploitation you saw.  Just curious.  Also, I heard from someone who was allegedly involved that they allegedly didn't stage anything! LOL...

          •  All the fake "tribal" bullshit. (2+ / 0-)
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            All the attempts to rip off NDN, African, or other indigenous themes and so-called "practices."  The entire thing was an appropriation mockery, and I have yet to see one person of indigenous heritage who feels that it was anything but shameful bullshit.  It's Hollywood minstrelsy, pure and simple.

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            by Aji on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 08:18:37 PM PST

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            •  I see you repeating your claim (0+ / 0-)

              But I don't see you giving any examples.  What exploitation did you see and what evidence do you have that tribal councils are faked?  Your outrage doesn't count as evidence. What are you talking about?  I've seen episodes where they go to local villages, share traditional food with local people, watch or take part in festivals etc -not so different than the things  many people do when they tour foreign or exotic places.  I don't presume that the local people are so dumb that they need you or any if us to guard them from exploitation. They could refuse to take part -but generally everyone seems to have fun with those events.

              •  Different situation, different particulars,... (1+ / 0-)
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                ...but sometimes the proofs are difficult, and TOO LONG to ennumerate.  I (We) in our low income affordable housing have been being abused for a long, long while.  It is only recently that I was able to track down and document that our management company has stolen thousands of dollars from us.  And I haven't found it all, just the tip of the iceburg.

                Give Aji a little space here.  The abuses are many and from long ages.

                "Truth and love will overcome lies and hatred.” Vaclav Havel

                by dharmasyd on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:07:59 PM PST

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              •  You want examples, nook... (1+ / 0-)
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                ...I suggext you read Howard Zinn, "Peoples History of the United States."  After that, if you still feel like questioning these sentiments, go ahead.  But I will seriously question either your compassion, credulity, or credibility.

                "Truth and love will overcome lies and hatred.” Vaclav Havel

                by dharmasyd on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:17:49 PM PST

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                •  Are you saying that Zinns book (0+ / 0-)

                  Mentions examples the TV show Survivor and gives examples of how it exploits indigenous people? If not, then it has nothing to do with this discussion. I'm not claiming that indigenous people are never exploited, I' m just asking for specific examples relating to the TV show that would back up the claim.  In a "reality based" community like ours, that should be a reasonable request, you make a claim, you back it up.  This person made a claim, it's not up to me to go read a book (although I have heard great things about that book)-  the claim can or can't be defended.  Changing the argument now to "all exploitation ever" is called "shifting ground". Your basically attacking a straw man.

                  When you say "different situation different particulars" - correct and not what I asked for. Lets keep it to this situation and these particulars. Who was exploited by this show?

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