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  •  I don't agree on the semantics (0+ / 0-)

    When I was a young leftie, long ago, we used it just the way this diary does. We said anxiously, "I'm not sure what's the politically correct way to say this, but ...".  We meant something a bit different from "politically responsible", because language in these contested areas changes and with the most responsible attitude in the world it is hard to keep up.  Of course the expression was taken over by the whinging class later, in sneer-quotes. But they don't own it.

    Is it politically incorrect to say "politically correct"?

    •  "Politically correct" was invented by ... (5+ / 0-)

      ...Mao Zedong and used among some American leftists as a sort of more-revolutionary-than-thou critique. Then, toward the late 1970s, it was adopted by the Right as a slur.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:23:18 PM PST

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      •  When I hear a right-winger whining about (4+ / 0-)

        "political correctness"==it's usually because soemone pointed out that calling women who differentiate themselves from doormats "feminazis" and using insulting names for minorities is rude, and asked them to be polite.  It's usually followed by a rant about free speech and refusing to cave to hypersensitive people.

        * Like women who don't like being called sluts because they would like to be sexually responsible and use birth control.

        * Like Latinos who don't think they should have to carry their green cards (or American birth certificates) with them in order to prove they're not illegal because they have brown skin and the cop thinks they might be.

        * Like older people who have worked all their lives and don't much care for being called "takers" because they're on Social Security now.

        We know just how well the right handles criticism. FOx News sued Al Franken over  the cover of Lies and the lying Liars Who Tell Them because it mocked O'Reilly's show and looked too close to his  background for comfort.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:38:25 PM PST

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        •  Fox lost, didnt' they? (1+ / 0-)
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          "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

          by glorificus on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:13:47 PM PST

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          •  Yup. It was protected (2+ / 0-)
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            because it was satire.  Fox viewers and Murdoch, for thta matter, lack the irony and satire genes.

            I've always thought "political correctness" was just being decent, Stemming from the Pre-K idea of not calling people names (at least not to their faces or where people who might be offended might overhear). I think many Republicans flunked Pre-K.

            The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

            by irishwitch on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:16:25 AM PST

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        •  Damn "accurate". (0+ / 0-)

          ('Cause I can't fucking say "straight", "right", or [in this conversation] "correct" can I?)

          (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

          by homogenius on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 11:52:40 PM PST

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      •  Yes, "PC" is a right-wing slur (2+ / 0-)
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        There is no such thing as "politically correct" speech. That phrase is almost always intended as an insult. There are no college classes on "How To Be Politically Correct". There are no books advising people on the rules of PC. If you have a microphone and ask people to raise their hand if they are PC, nobody will raise their hand.

        The problem with the word "correct" is that people either think of the correct answer to, say, a mathematics problem (and if you're not correct, you fail the test) or they think about the correct fork to use for eating a salad (which is a really unimportant mistake, if you think about it).

        Then you put "politically" in front of "correct." Is it about the one correct way to do things (like the answer to a math question)? Or is it a trivial thing (like which fork to use)?

        I wrote a DKos diary about it back in 2009 (The Myth of Political Correctness).

        But the angle said to them, "Do not be Alfred. A sailor has been born to you"

        by Dbug on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:03:23 PM PST

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      •  That + decency != "politics" (1+ / 0-)
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        ...but people who say "PC" always insinuate that trying to be courteous to people is really just pandering for the sake of the "politics of the moment".

        Remember Savita Halappanavar!

        by Brown Thrasher on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 11:09:05 AM PST

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      •  Thank you. (0+ / 0-)

        It's always humbling to find that there's more depth to what I think I know.

        My introduction to "political correctness" was a Doonesbury cartoon in the '70s where a kid celebrates the birth of a "baby woman".  

        (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

        by homogenius on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 11:49:39 PM PST

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