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  •  I posted this as a question (0+ / 0-)

    for response.  I have heard it used by by some gay co-workers a number of years ago, and the way they used it I though it somewhat humorous, and as tongue-in-cheek.  This diary reminded me of that time, and I personally don't think that I've really ever quite used this myself.  If there's any chance of offense to anyone by any phrasing or words, I'll usually avoid anyway, even if I'm not sure about it, as I posed this question here.  So I guess from the responses this isn't the best.  

    Live and learn, eh?

    All the best

     

    •  Well, I was sort of right about tongue-in-cheek. (1+ / 0-)
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      And, yes, this is a very sensitive subject for many here.

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      by Smoh on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 04:30:03 PM PST

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      •  I think though that you were reading my mind (0+ / 0-)

        somehow in that I posted, maybe at first a bit much tongue-in-cheek as it goes, and then changed some words around and added the question mark so not to want to be inappropriate.  So yes you were correct here.

        And as mentioned, the way I first heard this is was exactly tongue-in-cheek and even somewhat humorous, although I had respect for the source and the situation.  I guess my line of thinking is, let's say, is that if one is Swedish (just a random pick here) then one is allowed to make Swedish jokes and have some humor capital in the area.  Me.... not being Swedish, wouldn't dare say the same. I don't know if there is agreement with this, but at least this is how I think in my outlook.

        In the long run, may we all get to a place where people just have respect for each other, and first and foremost everyone has their dignity before there is a label.  As well as physical and emotional well-being.  With that, and ideally all of the hate gone, language will be elevated to a place where humor and good tidings can be shared among all of us, instead of a weapon to divide and hurt.  

        I guess that I want to feel overly optimistic here, eh?

        all the best and happy turkey day........

        •  And to you too. (1+ / 0-)
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          And, just for the record, when I first read it, the term breeders was shocking.  Then it was funny.  Then I waited for all the s**t to come down on you.

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          by Smoh on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:24:02 AM PST

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    •  ardyess (2+ / 0-)
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      what some people here are missing is the power dynamic behind all these words. When a heterosexual labels LGBT people with words like "f-gg-t," the word has the greatest power to offend because it is aimed at the oppressed minority. When the minority responds with "breeder," while it can be intended as offensive, it normally rolls off the back of the privileged heterosexual majority. Few heteros are even aware of the word let alone offended by it. You won't meet too many gay people who aren't aware of the "f" word and who do not feel it's sting. The "n" word is an assault on African Americans, but words like "honky" and "cracker" roll right off the backs of most privileged white folks. When I hear someone is offended by "breeder," I often feel that someone is trying to draw a false equivalency with the verbal assaulting of a minority. Imagine what I think about this POS diary where one heterosexist can't tolerate the truly innocuous "straight."  

      There is a critical difference between feeling discriminated against because you're disagreed with and being discriminated against because of who you are.

      by EdSF on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 04:46:00 PM PST

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      •  Offensive to whom, though? (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't find the term "breeder" offensive on the grounds that the mean gay people are insulting the poor innocent non-gay people.  Especially not in this context, where the point of the exercise was to come up with a non-insulting term.

        I find it offensive because it has implications that are equally dangerous to both gay and het people, and especially to women.  And I don't think those implications were intended by whoever first came up with it.

        •  after reading responses here to my question (0+ / 0-)

          I also think now that "breeder" also may also connote to some varying degree of obviousness an underlying base, or sexual affront if received in its outermost, which then can be deemed offensive.  

          Also quite curious if I may add is that in situation or context, this word may also lend itself to varying degrees harmless and even maybe shockingly humorous.  I'm also a bit surprised that maybe a good number of those who hear this word may not even really instantly know this given meaning.  And as mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure that I myself haven't even used this word as we refer to it here.......

          Thanksgiving approaches....... and may it be festive for you and all of those important to you.......

      •  I get your point here and thank you (0+ / 0-)

        especially with your introducing the aspect of the false equivalency.

        With that, I also think that people with more aggregate really need to accept differences in each other.  Differences in positive are what make us all tick, and life itself interesting and progressive.  

        Also, with this diary itself..... I think that the diarist could have dealt with this subject matter somewhat more appropriately in that the focus would have been more effective in framing the power of words with how they can effect a general perception, rather than with an approach to some faux implication - where the latter is the impression that struck me.  

        And arriving now with my own conclusions here, words such as "straight"  or "right" can reasonably have their power in general to serve as divisive and create intended group insecurity for those who seek their own exclusive agenda.

        All the best to you and everyone important to you......  

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