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  •  My mother lived through septicemia (11+ / 0-)

    because she got the abortion she needed. She was five months along give or take (I was five years old at the time I don't remember the exact weeks). Without it she would have died just like this woman did. Because the baby itself was causing the septicemia as it died and rotted inside of her over days. Could she still have died from the infection? Sure. Any untreated/uncontrolled infection can kill. Is it likely? It would have been a lot less so had the dying fetus been aborted so that they could focus their efforts on saving the mother.

    My mother lived because her doctor pulled her from a Catholic hospital and into community general where they would perform the abortion (this was 1975). Unfortunately, with the law as it is in Ireland they would have had to transfer her to England which would have been much more hazardous to her health. I don't even know if that option was presented to her husband. If not, why wasn't it if the doctors knew that this would kill her but felt their hands were tied by the law?

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 04:20:41 PM PST

    •  from your description (0+ / 0-)

      it wasn't an abortion if the fetus had already died and was "Because the baby itself was causing the septicemia as it died and rotted inside of her ". The issue with Savita was that the baby was still alive, and therefore itself not a cause of the infection. Once dead, a fetus is a potential source of infection and best practice may be to have it surgically removed (or a hysterectomy) to reduce the risk of infection - but that is not an abortion and would have been carried out in Ireland.

      •  The baby still had a heart beat, it was alive. (3+ / 0-)

        The baby also no longer had arms or legs. It was rotting to death while alive. That's why they wouldn't do the proceedure. Not only was my mother's life saved, but she went on to have two more children.
        My mother's case is VERY similar to this woman's case, my mother has confirmed that. And if her life was saved in 1975, with the advances in infection control and antibiotics in the past 37 years, I would think that Satvia's chances should have been even higher with proper treatment. That includes helping the body complete the miscarriage that it didn't finish.

        "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

        by FloridaSNMOM on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 05:13:34 PM PST

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        •  OK - that clarifies it - except (0+ / 0-)

          with the emergence of hospital superbugs antibiotics may be less effective now than they were 37 ears ago. Either way death by septicemia is now so rare it has to be investigated when it occurs. The issue is whether there was medical malpractice - even within the terms of the hospital approved protocols - or whether it was the failure to offer an abortion which most likely  caused the infection - in which case it is the RC church and the "right to life" crowd who stand indicted

          •  Or if... (3+ / 0-)

            the baby dying inside her was a tax on an already overstressed system and inhibited her ability to fight off the infection. Then she may have been saved by the abortion even if the baby wasn't causing the abortion.

            The point is, she was miscarrying when she came in, that was stated from everything I've seen, diagnosed on day on. They let that woman suffer and die instead of helping her. There was NO CHANCE of saving that baby. There was a chance of saving her. In my book, that makes those doctor's guilty of at least negligence and manslaughter. Of course I'm not the law in Ireland. But that isn't going to change my opinion of what happened.

            I'm just glad my mother was save, and my sisters were born. And I'll do everything in my power to make sure that future mothers are saved.

            "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

            by FloridaSNMOM on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 05:37:45 PM PST

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          •  Septicemia is not rare (4+ / 0-)
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            crose, FloridaSNMOM, Mrs M, Pandoras Box

            See "blood poisoning."
            E. coli bacteria are not rare either.
            See "Jack in the Box death."

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