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  •  Well... (28+ / 0-)

    "openly supporting" is the term we need to discuss here.

    I would submit to you, that not ONE of the people on this list has attempted to tie their product directly to their politics the way say, Papa John's has.  Not one of them has stepped into the lime light and said "see it my way or suffer for it."

    Of course there is business that supports the president, and plenty of business that does not. That was not at all the point of my diary.

    The point of my diary is that the customer is the bottom line. And if you're smart, you won't dick that up with politics in the obvious way that Mr. Papa John did, and Mr. Denny's franchise owner did.

    And if you're a smart customer, you won't let anyone get away with this on your dime.

    "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

    by StellaRay on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 08:36:08 PM PST

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    •  I think its the threat to punish their employees (13+ / 0-)

      that really pisses people off.  Employees that are not well compensated to begin with.  so I agree these two stand out as particularly offensive, but I also do not want to censor business: I would also point out business leaders give ultimatums often particularly on free trade, labor costs, minimum wage, regulations of all sorts when we know its bullshit, how often have we heard this or that business will have to raise prices because of this or that. Or the business will have to move to get better tax breaks via the state they operate in. We will have to move operations to mexico if this regulation continues. Really its Same-O- Same-O business leaders are given way too much influence by politicians in their pockets.

      •  I don't argue with much you have said here. (17+ / 0-)

        And hey, I don't want to censor business either. But if Mr. Papa John's or Mr. Metz wants to shoot their mouths off about their politics and what they're going to do if they don't get their way, well then, I'm going to NOT BUY accordingly.

        I KNOW that business leaders and the government are inextricably tangled, in every way you point out.  But when those business leaders and/or CEOs decide to sashay out on the public stage and threaten their workers and their customers, then I SAY FU!!!!!!

        There is a difference here, shopkeeper.  The acts of some GOP business people in these last months should be against the law, but they're not. So our only refuge is to step forth and say, NOPE, you're not going to get away with this with me.

        It is so easy to become immobilized when you blow everything up to its full complexity.  I don't want to do that here.

        I just wanted to say with this diary, if you want to do business with me, keep your political dick zipped up.  That's all.

        "A typical vice of American politics is the avoidance of saying anything real on real issues." Theodore Roosevelt.

        by StellaRay on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:10:02 PM PST

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        •  If I might add (1+ / 0-)
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           I implemented I-9 immigration in the 1980's at the store level as manager in a restaurant. I spent probably close to 80 hrs getting 40+ employees documentation for which all were locally raised kids. had spent another hour paying 40 employees explaining I-9 to them. What did this accomplish?  not a thing, total waste of time and money. the govt never enforced anything pertaining to immigration.
            I think this is what restaurant owners are looking at because they know they cant pay their employees enough money to afford even subsidized health insurance, and their employees will not want it because they can not afford it being deducted from their paychecks. And the restaurants can not stay in business if they pay their employees enough to be able to afford health insurance. They will go through all this documenting and explaining and all the employees not already on the Insurance plan offered by the company will opt out, they have to or they will receive a pittance of a paycheck.
            So I get the frustration by restaurant owners but agree these particular owners were over the line.

      •  I'm glad you mentioned the employees (14+ / 0-)

        As someone who works in an HR related profession, my other concern with all these blowhard CEO's is that they are flaunting their power over their employees in an extremely abusive way. It's disrespectful at best and exploitative at worst. (Think of the coal miners forced to pose with Romney).

        It's got to be hard for someone trying to support his/her family on minimum wages to endure the disdain of this kind of CEO, who adds the injury of cutting hours and using him/her as a pawn in a power game, to the insult of being on the receiving end of the public's boycotts and scorn. It's never the CEO who has to listen to people's complaints after working HIS butt off for hours.

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