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  •  We all agree that filibuster reform is necessary (4+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure how many Senate Dems share our views on that subject.  I'm also not sure how much difference it would make given the composition of the House.  

    Filibuster reform would clearly matter in terms of judicial and executive confirmations, as the House has no say on those issues.  The GOP took a much harder line on the filibustering of judicial nominations in '05-'06 than Dems took the past 2 years, and there's no excuse for not changing that ASAP.  In terms of tax and budget issues, however, I'm not sure how much filibuster reform will matter.

    I wish that there had been a serious push for filibuster reform in 2009 when Dems held a solid House majority.

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    by RFK Lives on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 07:40:49 AM PST

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    •  I think it would make all the difference now (7+ / 0-)

      The way to break the House Republican logjam is for the White House and Senate Dems to get on the same page, pass useful legislation and keep up the public pressure on the House.  I don't see any other way to overcome Republican obstructionism.

      Boehner has clearly decided to deal with Democrats if he can bring along enough of his caucus.  He wasn't willing to do this for most of the 112th.  That may just be a fiscal cliff expedient, but it may signal that he's tired of babysitting the world's biggest brat day-care center.

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      by Dallasdoc on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 07:48:08 AM PST

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      •  what is this "same page" you speak of, doctor? (0+ / 0-)

        heh.

        gotta love our big Dems.

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        by mightymouse on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:34:08 AM PST

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      •  Right (2+ / 0-)
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        Also, when the Democrats are able to pass meaningful legislation in the Senate but it dies in the House, that's campaign fodder that will help Democrats retake the House in the midterms.  Sometimes you have to lose a battle or two to win the war and even if you know you may lose in the short term, the doesn't mean that you should stop fighting.  Much of this is about optics; does anyone think that a midterm campaign of pure obstruction will be a good thing for House Republicans?  It give House Dems something to run against.

        So yes, reform the filibuster and give that reform some real teeth.  Let the Republican-controlled House keep being the one institution standing in the way of progress.  If nothing gets done, it will not be pointless.  That may well put the final nail in the Republican brand.  It will also show that when Democrats run the Senate, they actually are able to do so without a super-majority.

        There are many advantages to real filibuster reform even if it means that Republicans in the House will continue to obstruct.  Either they will bend to the will of the voters of they will find themselves back in the political wilderness after the midterms, and maybe this time for good.

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        by democracy inaction on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:23:18 AM PST

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        •  Why in the world do people believe this... (1+ / 0-)
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          Also, when the Democrats are able to pass meaningful legislation in the Senate but it dies in the House, that's campaign fodder that will help Democrats retake the House in the midterms.
          Please see historical record of mid-terms with a focus on 2010.

          It doesn't work that way, nobody pays attention after nonstop 2 years of Presidential campaining.

          Filibuster must be reformed, obstruction is a bi-partisan talking point.  How many House bills have been "obstructed" by the Dem Senate since 2010?  Every single one.

    •  The difference is in nominations (1+ / 0-)
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      Particularly judicial nominations.

      What do we want? Time Travel! When do we want it? It's irrelevant.

      by NCJim on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:45:59 AM PST

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