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  •  4 years ago Al Gore said (23+ / 0-)

    we have to get off fossil fuels in 10 years - he was being optimistic about how much time we had.  When Mark Lynas wrote 6 Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet in 2007 he noted there was a 7% chance it was too late already.  If we don't stop at 2 (and we're not going to) we're not going to stop at all.  Each new "we didn't realize that would happen so soon" effects all the rest of them and speeds the whole process up.  Lynas didn't go above 6 degrees because that's where the IPCC report stopped.  The planet isn't going to stop at 6.  Somewhere there will be a "balance point" but we have absolutely no idea where that will be - and there's a growing possibility we won't be here to see it when the planet gets there.  Would it be a good idea to get off fossil fuels anyway?  Absolutely.  Is it going to stop global warming/extreme climate change?  Not likely.  I'd like to see some serious "Plan B" discussions on how to survive it.

    •  6 Degrees astonished me with its seriousness. (2+ / 0-)
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      A Siegel, PeterHug

      Anyone concerned about global climate change should familiarize themselves with the consequences of each small rise in temperature in order, at a minimum, to see where we are now, and what that means.

      One of his statistics: each gallon of gasoline burned is derived from 90 tons of plant material.

      George Monbiot's book Heat (here's one review) concerns itself with what must be done to have any hope of slowing climate change; the reviewer lists changes in air travel, building construction, and "mechanisms to reduce greenhouse gas emissions of the retail and cement industries by 90%," among others.

      Monbiot doesn't see this happening voluntarily.

      •  I don't see it happening (0+ / 0-)

        at all, much less voluntarily.  But we don't have enough water to keep using fossil and nuclear fuels and still eat, so basically we have to get off fossil fuels AND figure out how we're going to survive runaway warming.  At this point I'm expecting that - presupposing they are still alive - my grandsons will see 6 degrees of warming by 2100.

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