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  •  I really like the call for a WWII type of effort. (26+ / 0-)

    Anything less will not be sufficient.  It was truly amazing what this country accomplished.  I've done some research into what was done when our nation declared war.  What if we declared war on fossil fuel use?  A look back at just one small aspect of the overall war effort embarked on by this nation during WWII gives us a glimpse of what could be accomplished in the area of climate change.  

    One of the most noteworthy areas of civilian involvement during the war was in the area of recycling. Many everyday commodities were vital to the war effort, and drives were organized to recycle such things as rubber, tin, waste kitchen fats (the predominant raw material of explosives and many pharmaceuticals) paper, lumber, steel and many others. Popular phrases promoted by the government at the time were "Get into the scrap!" and "Get some cash for your trash" (a nominal sum was paid to the donor for many kinds of scrap items).

    Consumer saving was strongly encouraged through investment in War bonds that would mature after the war. Most workers had an automatic payroll deduction; children collected savings stamps until they had enough to buy a bond. Bond rallies were held throughout the U.S. with famous celebrities, usually Hollywood film stars, to enhance the bond advertising effectiveness. Several stars were responsible for personal appearance tours that netted multiple millions of dollars in bond pledges—an astonishing amount in 1943. The public paid 3/4 of the face value of a war bond, and received the full face value back after a set number of years.

    The overall result was a dramatic increase in GDP, the export of vast quantities of supplies to the Allies and to American forces overseas, the end of unemployment, and a rise in civilian consumption even as 40% of the GDP went to the war effort. People tolerated the extra work because of patriotism, the pay, and the confidence life would return to normal as soon as the war was won.

    Imagine the possibilities.  Think big!  

    If we really want to straighten out all this crap we really need to think about shit - Holy Shit.

    by John Crapper on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 01:54:15 PM PST

    •  Agreed ... (4+ / 0-)

      thanks for the material.  Quote is from ...???

      And, of course, the massive up ramp in aircraft production, tanks, ships (Liberty Ships), etc ... "Arsenal of Democracy".

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      by A Siegel on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 02:12:45 PM PST

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    •  Here is a little quote from a Cree, Inc. (2+ / 0-)
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      press release:

      "The 1200-V, 100-A dual module extends our existing discrete MOSFET and diode products into higher power applications," explains Dr. Mrinal Das, product marketing manager, Cree Power and RF. "The efficient switching characteristics of an all-SiC module should allow system designers to meet customer demands for reduced size, weight and cost of the end-system, while reducing global energy consumption. Already, Cree SiC power devices have eliminated an estimated one million metric tons of annual CO2 emissions - the equivalent to planting 95 million trees."    

      I can't comment on how accurate it is, but we're talking about the difference seen by using advanced silicon carbide electronic components for power management.  Which seems like a really impressive difference.  It seems like there really are a lot of technological things that can and will be done, as long as energy costs money.

      The sleep of reason brings forth monsters. --Goya

      by MadScientist on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:35:27 PM PST

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      •  Are there any efforts under way to literally (0+ / 0-)

        begin to take carbon back out of the atmosphere (and the oceans)? Several years ago a DailyKos poster mentioned a promising study on measures to work with carbon dioxide in order to split off the carbon element. If successful some way would have to be found to dispose of the carbon.

        Sounds absurd, so I am chiefly asking for further background.


        •  Well, there's biochar. (2+ / 0-)
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          Are there any efforts under way to literally begin to take carbon back out of the atmosphere (and the oceans)?  [snip]  If successful some way would have to be found to dispose of the carbon.
          Charcoal added to soil decays to CO2 very slowly, on the order of decades if not centuries, and improves the fertility of the soil in the meantime.  also

          Renewable energy brings national global security.     

          by Calamity Jean on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 12:45:36 PM PST

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          •  The study I heard about (1+ / 0-)
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            involved a chemical splitting process, releasing the oxygen, keeping the carbon separate. Lots of carbon; a gallon of gas originally was 90 tons of plant material . . .  But thanks for the links!

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