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  •  DK is funny in that you can (3+ / 0-)
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    stomp all over other people's religious beliefs, but you can get stomped on (and HR'd) if you post a comment that is perceived as even vaguely racist.  Which is really a self-parody of "liburalism" as seen by the right.  

    •  Well... (20+ / 0-)

      attacking someone for their race is attacking an inherent aspect of themselves.  You can't choose to be one race or another.

      A religious belief is a set of ideas that you can freely choose to follow or not.   A tenet of a free society is that any idea is open to criticism.

      "We are normal and we want our freedom" - Bonzos

      by matching mole on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:59:15 PM PST

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      •  Mole nailed it. (5+ / 0-)
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        Choosing to be a member of a religion is the same thing as joining a group or a political party.

        It's a choice you make based on your own beliefs and values.

        And is, therefore, subject to judgement.

      •  Bingo (n/t) (3+ / 0-)
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        Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað

        by milkbone on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:48:43 PM PST

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      •  Well, if you actually believe that (3+ / 0-)
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        "religion" and "culture" are separate.

        It's a worldview based on the imperialistic aspirations of certain ancient theocrats, but whatever.

        •  This (obviously) a complicated issue (3+ / 0-)
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          and I wouldn't say that my reply sums up the entirety of my thinking on the matter.  It was a simplistic reply to a fairly simplistic statement.

          I do think that a lot of atheists on this site (and elsewhere) have a pretty simplistic view of religion and have said some ridiculous and unnecessarily rude things (there are some in the comments to this diary).

          One of the central problems in dealing with religion in a multicultural society is that religion is simultaneously a belief system about the nature of the universe, a element of personal identity, and an important part of culture.  

          I am a bit confused by the line of reasoning in this diary.  The old testament is clearly both a Jewish and a Christian book  The statements made are clearly made in the context of Christian fundamentalism and have nothing to do with Judaism.  They are, as you say, made completely within the context of the dominant Christian culture based on Christian translation of the book into English, Christian interpretation of the text.  In many if not most cases the people making these statements, although from a Christian tradition are not believers in biblical teaching and in some cases are quite hostile to them.  

          So they may be sadly lacking in knowledge of Jewish interpretation of the old testament but they can be hardly accused of attacking it (beyond any general attacking of religion in general).  I can certainly see why these kind of statements would be annoying but it is hard to really make the claim that any kind of bigotry is involved.

          "We are normal and we want our freedom" - Bonzos

          by matching mole on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:52:53 PM PST

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          •  As I posted elsewhere, ... (1+ / 0-)
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            CroneWit

            If Christian fundamentalists misapply the Old Testament, the focus of someone trying to criticize them should be on how they're misapplying the OT.  We shouldn't be adopting the term "Old Testament" as a shorthand for their own misapplications.

            We know that the ignorant and the malicious imagine or invent all kinds of horrible things in Obamacare.  That doesn't make it proper rhetoric to act as if the very word "Obamacare" referred to government run health care or death panels or any of the other things that the people we want to criticize have tried to associate with that term.

    •  this isn't true at all (2+ / 0-)
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      you must really hate this site

      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

      by cacamp on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:03:05 PM PST

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