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  •  The Old Testament is basically unreadable (1+ / 0-)
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    I can't get past the so-and-so begat so-and-so.

    I've tried numerous times, but the holy language ("thee" "thou") and ridiculous premises put me off soon enough.

    I'm guessing that the percentage of people who have actually read the bible front to back is in single digits.

    •  Not unreadable (2+ / 0-)
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      Diamond Mind, Lujane

      There are translations that are very modern.

      The "begats" are not as numerous as the cliches say.

      The Bible isn't ridiculous. If we look at it as a fundamentalist does -- whether a religious one or a secular one -- it's easy to form caricatures of it.

    •  Same here. (1+ / 0-)
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      freshwater dan

      I started out with the intention of reading the entire book many years ago, but I never got past the "begats".  Now I just don't care anymore.

      "It is not, you fucking liberal prick." ..My RW friend Dave's last words to me.

      by rb608 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 07:56:20 PM PST

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    •  Kissing your bride through a veil (1+ / 0-)
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      freshwater dan

      David Ben Gurion, the very secular first prime minister of Israel, used to say that reading the Tanach (the Jewish term for their scripture) in translation was like kissing your bride through her veil.

      While some of the text is just hard (folks like Isaiah had big vocabularies), the sad thing is that original is mostly very simple and clear.  The language was never intended to be distancing, and Hebrew is in general a fairly blunt instrument anyway.

      The text was, however, composed over hundreds of years, and the civilization that produced it is pretty different from ours.  And it grew up out of the civilizations of West Asia and are very far removed from the line of development that started in Greece and Rome.

      But then, the Illiad is hard too, and for similar reasons.  And if you think the Tanach is hard, try the Qur'an in just about any translations (I hope to learn enough Arabic some time to try the original).

      Still, separate from what any of us believe, it's one of the founding documents of the world we live in.  There's something to be said to being familiar with it, if only as literature.  There are good translations made for clarity.

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      by mbayrob on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:58:37 PM PST

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