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  •  No one here was complaining. (2+ / 0-)
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    HappyinNM, DemFromPit

    Read the thread.

    Stay fired up: now is the time to focus on downticket change! #Forward

    by emidesu on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 08:11:50 PM PST

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    •  I read the thread. (5+ / 0-)
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      Fraud in the welfare/food stamp programs is a RW meme. I realize that people weren't faulting people for it, but the word "fraud" in a conversation about hungry people really annoys me. When people commit fraud because they're greedy, they belong in prison. When people commit fraud because they're needy, the assistance they're getting isn't sufficient. So, in my mind it isn't fraud.

      •  "You have to lie. The way it's set up (6+ / 0-)
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        you 'bout have to lie."

        That's what I have heard more than once over my life here in WV where a lot of people wouldn't eat except for food stamps and other programs.  I'm now one of them.

        These programs not only fail to get anyone out of poverty, they don't even provide enough to meet basic living expenses, so people do all kinds of shit "under the table" just to make ends meet.

        People have no choice.

        •  Quite true. (1+ / 0-)
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          I'd appreciate having enough income to be honest, but I don't.

          I am reapplying, and will lie and say that I don't donate plasma any more. Because they will count that $45 a week as income I could apply to food. Why, yes, I could. In fact, it goes to everything else. It puts gas in the vehicle. It buys our entertainment. It pays for toilet paper and dish soap and paper towels. It pays for new socks and haircuts and flea medicine for the cats, and their food and litter too. Birthdays and Christmas comes out of that money.

          I can't afford to have it counted.

          This is how it makes me a liar. But it's a hell of a decision; either less food to get by with, or no toilet paper.

          When you come to find how essential the comfort of a well-kept home is to the bodily strength and good conditions, to a sound mind and spirit, and useful days, you will reverence the good housekeeper as I do above artist or poet, beauty or genius.

          by Alexandra Lynch on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 03:32:39 PM PST

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      •  OK, then say that. (1+ / 0-)
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        When the diary author titles a post "I don't even mind if there is occasional fraud" a few entries before you say "I'm not sure how fraud got into this," then it does not in fact look like you read the thread.

         

        Mitt's foreign policy: Double Guantanamo, with cheese.

        by Rich N Mdriems on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:26:37 PM PST

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      •  I'm sorry, but that's not entirely true (1+ / 0-)
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        I am a strong supporter of social welfare programs, but to pretend that there is no fraud involved in it is naive. I have seen it with my own eyes, and it was not because the assistance they were getting was insufficient.

        I get very annoyed when people talk about welfare fraud like it's a widespread problem. You are correct that that is a RW meme.

        But don't pretend that it never happens, or that it only happens because people aren't getting enough assistance. That's just not true.  

        P.S. I am not a crackpot.

        by BoiseBlue on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 04:54:01 AM PST

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        •  From my original post (2 up from the one you're (0+ / 0-)

          responding to):

          Here are the facts: A study was done to determine how welfare recipients were able to make it on so little money. Of those studied, there was only one who wasn't somehow supplemented, and she wasn't making it. When the AFDC program came to an end with welfare reform, it was reported that the whole program comprised 1% of the federal budget. So, these (mostly) women are heroes in my eyes. Do they commit fraud? Absolutely. And more power to them! They're survivors, just like Flower.
          I received both welfare and food stamps. And then I worked as an eligibility worker for 6 years. It is true that people who defraud the system do it because their benefits aren't sufficient. Because the issue of poverty is much more complex than this discussion, I'll just leave it at that.
          •  I know they are not always sufficient (0+ / 0-)

            I'm not arguing that. I am sayin that to believe that is always true in cases of fraud is naive. This is also not a discussion I want to get into either, having the unfortunate experience of having to report an immediate family member for egregious fraud.

            I have also been on the receiving end of welfare. I strongly support it and I am adamant about fraud being a very rare occurrence. But it does happen, and not just because its insufficient.

            P.S. I am not a crackpot.

            by BoiseBlue on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 06:20:03 PM PST

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