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  •  nobody is forced to take loans for college (2+ / 0-)
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    not one single person is forced to do that.  college is a choice, even in this warped world in which we live where people think a bachelor's degree actually pertains to one's ability to man a phone.

    it's bullshit; one does not "need" a college degree to do any but a handful of jobs; the idea that college is about employment is positively toxic.

    college should be about education.

    are students kinda trapped by that paradigm?  yes.  but until enough people stop buying the bullshit of college is essential and the pendulum swings back, i don't see an end to the nonsense.  

    more students means facilities expansions, upgrades, etc.  those all jack tuition costs.

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 08:15:58 AM PST

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    •  It sounds like the philosphy of this project is (3+ / 0-)
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      that all debt is bad, oddly similar to Mitt Romney's statement about borrowing from one's parents for college.

      Strike Debt came from a coalition of Occupy groups looking to build popular resistance to all forms of debt imposed on us by the banks. Debt keeps us isolated, ashamed, and afraid. We are building a movement to challenge this system while creating alternatives and supporting each other. We want an economy where our debts are to our friends, families, and communities — and not to the 1%.
      •  no the philosophy is (5+ / 0-)

        that most people who default on their loans (and 1 out of every 7 Americans is now being pursued by a debt collector) usually do so either because they simply cannot pay, or they are, effectively, engaging in an act of civil disobedience by consciously deciding that it's more important to spend their limited resources on their families than paying interest on a loan they shouldn't have had to take out in the first place. And that even if that might mean bailing out a small percentage of defaulters who could be said to have been irresponsible, that's not really a problem if it means helping the overwhelming majority of debtors who are having their lives ruined by a vindictive predatory system that shouldn't exist

    •  You are if you want any kind of job including (4+ / 0-)
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      most unskilled minimum wage jobs.  Until you/we can get employers to stop requiring an unnecessary degree just to even get them to look at your resume then that's just how it's going to be, tough shit.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:01:59 AM PST

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      •  i know (2+ / 0-)
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        and the only reason they throw it out as a pre-req now is that everybody and their brother has a degree.  if fewer scraped through college because it's what you do, by god, college degrees would hold more meaning and not be used as a screen for jobs that don't require a college education at all.

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:08:00 AM PST

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        •  So how do you break the cycle? You have only (2+ / 0-)
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          two options, get enough people willing to forego the degree and wind up on the streets if necessary or convince businesses (either through government regulation or sufficient collective direct action) to drop these unnecessary requirements.  Oh, and that goes double for things like 15 years of .NET 4.0 experience (hint: .net version 4.0 hasn't been around for even 10 years)

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:11:56 AM PST

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          •  hopefully, the crackdowns on the more (1+ / 0-)
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            predatory colleges/loan programs will help.  cutting banks out of the federally backed student loan loop should also make a difference; without them pushing so hard, fewer people will be seduced by the idea that going to college just to be doing something is worth the money/time/effort.

            Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

            by Cedwyn on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:58:16 AM PST

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    •  Students are under a lot of psychological pressure (1+ / 0-)
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      to take out loans.

      I knew many students who didn't take out loans until late in college, at points when the work load got so large that they just didn't have the time to work on the side anymore.

      At that point they basically have the choice to either delay getting their degree by years or take out a loan.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 02:11:33 AM PST

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