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  •  There are people who need good government (7+ / 0-)

    to stand by them because they have no one else. Often it is bad luck of birth and biology as well as circumstance.

    Not everyone has family that is there for them. Not everyone has the abilty to create family of friendships especially in times of need. Sometimes, if not often, the lack of ability to have or make family is not the fault of the person in need...being able to forge dependable relationships is a thing learned early in life, as often is self esteem. Not everyone gets it and others don't hold onto it do to negative life experieces.

    I can't help thinking that people like my cousin who wants to cut "Welfare and certain social programs" because she "leans libertarian" and resents that she should have taxes go up a few percentage points on any money she makes OVER 1/4 million...I think those people have never known what it is like to be vulnerable in need yet without the support of family or community enough to stand.

    It may be that such people think that EVERYONE has access to the support they do so those that "fail" in life must do so because of lack of merit. Or it may be that they do not imagine it possible to be without such support...everyone must have it. OR they imagine that those what do not have it it must be THEIR OWN FAULT so therefore they deserve t heir suffering.

    I am injured and without family nor much income and spent thanksgiving alone in my home because I could ot physically make it to the one place I was invited. A reminder of how vulnerable I am if something worse happened...yet I have a home, and food, and warmth,and healthcare..and some friendship...which is more than some. Ir's a reminder to me of how blessed I and others like me are to have a government that cares enough not to let us sicken and die alone...even if some of our coutrymen wouldn't care. Like apparently my cousin

    All politics is personal, you see.

    •  Sadly (2+ / 0-)
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      The only way some people learn is when they themselves end up in need.

      Then, a miraculous transformation occurs.

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      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 11:11:57 PM PST

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      •  yes. And some just get it (2+ / 0-)
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        before I fell on hard times, I had the fortune to be someone who did get it in most ways. Maybe because my parents were first genearation American and working class, had lived though the Depression as kids and leaned left.

        I haven't learned much  new except having the firsthand experience of how hard it is to pull oneself up by bootstraps if you are down or sick or injured or poor or lack connections...it's like climbing a greased pole....you fall through cracks of programs...one problem feeds others...bad health feeds work issues feeds healthcare issues feeds bad health...

        I"ve only had minor tastes in that and also have the benefit of a good mind and an education. So I have a re learning of how exhausting it is to not have much money.

        This political season with the disrespect for the47% who need help was especially infuriating given this deeper firsthand learning

        Hearing demonization of "takers' from relatives has not been pleasant.

        I volunteered for a few years with a  self help community organization in a lower income area (I was working full time in healthcare at the time). now I live some of what i learned in that postion.

        The people i saw all worked really hard...most had two or three jobs to support their family...ran out of food at end of pay period...ketchup sandwiches for dinner...hungry kids doing worse in school...

        we owe it to them to break these kinds of vicious cycles that you can't break while you are in them. I know for a fact that if i were to have the fortune to make 200 plus thousand a year like my cousin (who unlike me was born to newly well off parents so perhaps was spoiled when it came to expectations around money) I would NEVER care if my rate, should I make a bit more that some would be taxed a few percent more, would go to helping struggling americans.

        I worked in non profit for about 1/5th th my cousins income and did not care about paying my taxes

        •  Interesting how (2+ / 0-)
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          Those of us who haven't had much, or have seen hard times, imagine a life of plenty much differently than those who've never known anything but good fortune.

          Alot of times, that is. There are always exceptions. There are those who are well-off that choose to help those less fortunate.

          It just seems like their stories get drowned out by the wailing of complaining types.

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          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
          ~ Jerry Garcia

          by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 12:31:27 AM PST

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          •  Romney is like this...clueless (2+ / 0-)
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            born on third base thinks he hit a triple...worse judges those strugling for first as less worthy and able.

            My cousin...born on second base thinks she hit a double

            Romney's dad and my cousin's dad grew up working class,as I did. So when both dad's made it, they themselves  had no problem giving other people a hand up. Romney's dad as you probably know paid more taxes than he even needed to in his day ...he said he didnt take all his deductions he had enough money.

            I think what happens is newly rich people spoil their kids sometimes, innadvertantly. They want kids to have what they themselves didn't when young but don't realize they have to teach lessons about deservingness and responsiblity and often fail.

            Dynastic wealth historically had a noblesse oblige, if that's the correct term, to give back and help the poor. Sometimes it seems first generation wealth fails to educate their kids on their responsibility to society.  Or maybe our culture in general is doing that now.

            I'm in MA and this cousin of mine is 28yrs old. She didn't graduate from college...DADDY"S FRIEND was partner in a law firm so right out of high school she got into being a paralegal...no training. She had a aptitude and ended up going far with it.

            I never had a friend of a parent give me a job...my parents didn't have many friends and none with jobs to give.

            THat job launched my cousin's confidece in herself and ability to make a good income which put her in circles to meet her fiance.

            How many with similar aptitudes did not have "daddy's friend the Partner in a law firm"? I remember Romney saying to fundraisers that he was "self made" because his dad "never gave them a dime". Romney was able to focus on school full time and start a family because they sold some of his stocks..he did not have to work. Then Dad bought them their first house. He had no competing worries unlike most people.

            I'm glad my cousin and Romney and any person has their blessings of paretal contribution, including money and education and connections. WHat I hate is that these people's egos so much need to believe they succeed exclusively on merit that they pretend that everyone started from the same place. Therefore, they come to judge those who did not have the succes they did as less worthy. It's dispicable...Romney with his judgements of the 47% and my cousin with "we have to reform welfare and social entitemennt programs ...as many people cheat on those as rich people do on their taxes".

            they are just selfish.

            I like people who are greatful for their blessings and try hard to be one. Warren Buffet comes to mind.

        •  No one works harder (2+ / 0-)
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          than people who are poor. The rightwingers never appreciate this.

          "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

          by aggressiveprogressive on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 01:05:51 AM PST

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          •  too many lack the ability to crawl into (2+ / 0-)
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            others shoes.
            I think that is a temperment trait and some really do have more trouble with it.

            •  Yet they have no problem loudly (2+ / 0-)
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              demeaning those who are less well off. And demanding that our government do less to help the get by with a bit of dignity intact. It's so frustrating and unproductive. So hard to understand it really.

              "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

              by aggressiveprogressive on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 02:05:13 AM PST

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