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  •  as for whether we had the votes (none)
    it was good to see Warner up there...

    Warner, Graham, Snowe, Collins, McCain, DeWine, Pryor?  Are those the names?

    Maybe we can't assume that just because they were working on the compromise that they were willing to vote with us on the N.O.

    But it was the threat of having all of them vote with us that caused Frist to back down.

    Anything other than 100% of what they want is defeat for the wingnuts.  People at Free Republic are apoplectic.  They have a poll up with 87% of their members opposed to this deal.  that means this is a win politically and psychologically.

    Those few moments of Frist on the floor were priceless.  He looked and sounded like a deer in the headlights.

    Reid speaking on Cspan2 right now.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 23, 2005 at 05:21:34 PM PDT

    •  Power is a weird thing . . . (none)
      There is no such thing as having the votes in the absense of the deal.  Not being sure about the votes made the deal happen (surprised Specter isn't part of this).  But just as certainly, having our team walk away from a good deal would have lost us the votes we have.

      Power isn't about the "votes" its about the movement of minds behind the votes.

      "A little bit of inefficiency is called culture." Check out my Diary you might like it.

      by dbratl on Mon May 23, 2005 at 05:35:11 PM PDT

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    •  PR Victory (none)
      Anything other than 100% of what they want is defeat for the wingnuts.  People at Free Republic are apoplectic.  They have a poll up with 87% of their members opposed to this deal.  that means this is a win politically and psychologically.

      You are right. It would be nice if we could swallow our pride just a little bid and pretend like this is  a major victory for us. If we act like it is, and they act like this is a major loss, then just maybe we'll get something out of this.

      •  I'm so angry reading some of the comments here... (none)
        (not yours)

        We seem to be doing our best to talk ourselves into a loss.  The whole point of a compromise is that both sides give up something.  I am of the opinion that the Right (NB - I didn't say "Republicans") lost more than we did, if only because Reid was talking compromise a long time ago.  

        But the point is to talk up the upside, and if we can play up the video of the 14 senators and Senator Reid facing the press while poor Billy Frist hid from the press on the Senate floor, well, that's enough victory for me, especially when we were staring into the maw of the beast.

        •  Socratic (none)
          You are my new best friend.  Agreed!
          •  Thanks :) (none)
            I feel like I'm repeating myself, but we really need to get our ship in order.  We've been losing for so damn long, we seem to be driven to talk ourselves into defeat.  Haven't the folks around here realized that half of victory isn't specific outcomes but the way it plays in the press?  

            If we act like winners, we've won, at least the critical public opinion battle.  If we gripe about not getting everything we asked for, then we're no better than they are, and we're just as destined to fail.

            Please, let's be winners here, even if we didn't get everything we wanted.  They lost more.

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