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  •  um, how are we, a bunch of liberals, (10+ / 0-)

    supposed to appreciably impact GOP primaries? Heck, we only rarely can successly primary a Democrat.

    •  I impact them by trolling conservative blogs (10+ / 0-)

      and fighting for the most extreme positions. In the case of Rubio, I would comment that until he truly admits that the earth is only thousands of years old based on the holy word of God he is just pandering and another Romney waiting in the wings.

      I had a lot of fun saying Ryan is a liberal and stuff like that during the election.

      Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

      by voracious on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 11:57:07 PM PST

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      •  I don't think this helps (4+ / 0-)
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        It just adds fuel to their wet, smoldering fire of ignorance. You become one more person who supports their stupidity and makes them even more convinced they are correct. If you think they will understand that you are being sarcastic or snarky, I can tell you that most of the Republicans I have known didn't have brains sufficiently developed to distinguish that.

        •  I think the idea (1+ / 0-)
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          is that these people are iredeemable, being so stupid and wedded to a dead-end ideology that the only thing to do is push them so far to the right that a majority of voters will vote Dem because the Repub is simply too crazy.

          Why do you think the GOP is pushing its more "moderate"-seeming leaders? It can read the tea leaves (heh). But since these people aren't moderates, but rather amoral opportunists pretending to be whatever they need to seem to be to get elected, who could actually get elected because enough swing voters are stupid enough to buy the con (e.g. Bush, Walker, Kasich, Scott), the only near-term strategy of defeating the GOP in such states is to try to get the far-right non-moderate Repub selected as the nominee.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 05:10:30 AM PST

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      •  I do this, too. (5+ / 0-)

        There is something very Swiftian (think "A Modest Proposal") and satisfying about driving the discussion further right.  There are those that double-down, and then there are those who start questioning because it doesn't fit their reality.  When they take their extreme positions out of their echo chamber, they find that most people are aghast.  As the election proved.

        Culbert Olson is my hero!

        by chemborg on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 03:56:11 AM PST

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        •  Yep! Isn't is amazing how the arguments (4+ / 0-)
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          change when you start demanding that Medicare and Social Security stop immediately and that old people need to start taking care of themselves?

          One time I was agreeing with someone and said that people who work at Wal Mart make plenty of money and they just need to stop eating out and buying televisions. Books are free at the library. He started telling me I was being too hard on them LOL

          Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

          by voracious on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 10:49:26 AM PST

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        •  I've been a Freeper doing this for *years* (2+ / 0-)
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          They can't kick you off Free Republic when you are a decade-long user who has consistently been farther Right than most of them. I argue the farthest Right position that can be logically made ... a la "No Social Security for anyone," or "Breakdown down you local tax bill into things like "Police Fee," "Fireman Fee," and "Sidewalk and street cleaning."

          When they begin to think about what they will lose if they go through their tax-hacking, they begin to suddenly back away from their proposals.

          They say "cut back" - we say "fight back"!

          by Louise on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 01:51:26 PM PST

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      •  Wow (4+ / 0-)
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        trolling conservative blogs and fighting for the most extreme positions.
        And what do you do when you want to have a bad time?

        Happy just to be alive

        by exlrrp on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 05:10:23 AM PST

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      •  That's fun to do, but I don't know if we have the (3+ / 0-)
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        numbers to have much impact, and still get our day job (promoting progressive ideas) done.
        The general discourse will marginalize the religious right (in fact they are naturally self-marginalizing, except for the pandering by gop pols and the current slant of big media).
        On one level the 1% and Wall Street want the electorate to be ignorant, however, the way forward for a sustainable economy goes thru science and technology and education, so ultimately even business has to make a choice whether to pamper home-schooolers or promote the foundation for our economy going forward.

        It took us more or less 40 years to get to this point. We made progress moving out of it in 2008, we faltered in 2010, now we're back on track.
        It will take a long period, at least a decade, to gain momentum in a positive direction. We have to persevere and maintain focus over a long period of time.
        All of these issues are interconnected: climate change, science denialism, public education spending, the social safety net, the failure of supply-side economics, middle class economy, green jobs, a 21st cent. infrastructure, etc.
        The gop has done a good job staying focused on obstruction of our economy and general progress, and heeding the demands of their base.
        They failed miserably this time. They feel like it's because they insufficiently camouflaged their true objectives in a moderate shroud (Akin, Mourdock) and because their lead guy was damaged goods.
        They've turned their denialism inward.
        They're starting to crack.

        They've ignored the problem with their gender politics an have focused on their problem with the hispanic vote, because they think the hispanic vote will be more conservative on gender issues. They will try to split our hispanic vote away from our women's vote.

        Our strength lies in the interconnectedness of the issues I cited above. We have a couple of hurdles to get over, involving the expiration of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy "fiscal bump", etc. We need to sieze the initiative on comprehensive immigration reform, and then we need to start addressing climate change.

        As we do that, the religious right will become more and more marginalized as the gop is forced to get out of the way.  

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 06:17:21 AM PST

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      •  Trolling right wing blogs. (3+ / 0-)
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        A very productive pursuit.

        •  Not really, but it makes me laugh when I come (2+ / 0-)
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          across people arguing against their own interests.

          I mean, there is a large number of people out there today arguing that Wal Mart workers are greedy, they know what they are signing on for when they agree to work there and everyone should be copying Wal Mart's business model. It never occurs to these people that Wal Mart does not need to make billions of dollars when millions will be just fine.

          Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

          by voracious on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 10:50:58 AM PST

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          •  Actually, walmarts margins are tiny. (0+ / 0-)

            They are in a tough business. Last year they made 15 billion, but in order to do so they had to sell 450 billion dollars worth of stuff. So they made about $3 for every $100 of revenue. I think you'd have a tough time arguing that such a margin is excessive.

      •  Sweet, I like it...rock on! (1+ / 0-)
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