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  •  So what you are saying is (2+ / 0-)
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    don mikulecky, NY brit expat

    that Politics, as in the current way of ruling a populace, whether totalitarian or quasi democratic, is proceeding along lines that seem logical to the people that practice these various systems, is wrong, but that political thought (i.e. forming a system that has the potential to make a large population communitarian) is still worthwhile?

    "There's a crack in everything; that's how the light gets in". Leonard Cohen

    by northsylvania on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 04:29:49 PM PST

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    •  The only worthwhile thing and this is urgent (3+ / 0-)

      is to begin to live in a sustainable way.  Most of our culture is destructive and must be discarded.  There is little time left.

      An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

      by don mikulecky on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 04:36:59 PM PST

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      •  I am in full agreement on beginning to live in a (3+ / 0-)
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        don mikulecky, Justina, northsylvania

        sustainable way; anything else is destructive.  The difficulty turns on convincing people to do so and that requires getting them to think differently and do things differently that is what most of my political work is; I had a feeling that  we were using terms differently. Thanks, this was very clear and I am beginning to see what you are getting at.

        I clearly think that the doctrine of the left and its aims enables people to make this shift. But I am beginning to see what you are saying. Thank you!

        "Hegel noticed somewhere that all great world history facts and people so to speak twice occur. He forgot to add: the one time as tragedy, the other time as farce" Karl Marx, The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte .

        by NY brit expat on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 04:48:16 PM PST

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      •  It seems to me that (3+ / 0-)

        depletion of the planet's resources is an inherent aspect of the fabric of capitalism. The basic notion of growth as the fundamental purpose of economic activity got started in the 18th C when Western Europe was making the final shift from feudalism to capitalism.

        It became god's will that white people should subdue the planet and get rich in the process. Other people who were trying to live in harmony with the world around them were heathens who were desperately in need of the two big Cs, Christianity and Capitalism.

        All of the prevailing schools of economic thought seem to me to be based on an assumption that growth must continue to occur. They argue about the best way to being that about. I think that is near the root of the problem.

        •  What we show in our book is that this is all one (1+ / 0-)
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          highly integrated system justified by an incorrect world view. One of the key failures in that world view is what comes from reductionist science.  the way it naturally feeds into unchecked consumption and the rule of technology over us is clear once you see it.  Capitalism is a system very much like cancer.  Unregulated and unchecked growth that devours its host in the long run.

          An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

          by don mikulecky on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 05:04:50 PM PST

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