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  •  Israel developed and maintains (1+ / 0-)
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    volleyboy1

    nuclear weapons as a deterrent and to defend itself. Considering that so many countries are hostile to Israel, why shouldn't they have these weapons?

    •  Well, international law? (1+ / 0-)
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      I mean shouldn't they comply with non proliferation treaties? Everyone wants nuclear weapons as a deterrant. But everyone can't have them because of international law.

      But on the issue of deterrance, they aren't on solid ground their either.

      There are no nuclear powers in the region that have ever aimed nuclear weapons at Israel. Secondly, the folks who could nuke Isreal (us..the Russians, the British the French, and the Chinese) have no interest in doing it and they couldn't stop us from doing it if we wanted to.

      And on the conventional front, Israel has already defeated every power that has ever attacked it. Decisively. They never needed a nuclear deterrant to do it either.

      So really, there is no real reason not to comply with the control treaties if there's nothing to hide. You aren't going to stop Hezbollah or Hamas with an ICBM.

      •  International law is not meant to be (2+ / 0-)
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        a suicide pact.  Iran is developing nuclear weapons and has repeatedly threatened Israel--and given radical islamist ideology--wherein no non muslim state can exist in  a formerly muslim land--it's foolish for Israel to consider giving up it's nuclear weapons.

        •  What is to prevent (1+ / 0-)
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          Israel from joining the international protocols for tracking and accounting for fissile material?

        •  Who said anything about giving them up? (2+ / 0-)
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          whizdom, corvo

          The NNPT doesn't require you to not have nuclear weapons. We signed and we have them. The Russians signed it and they have them. In fact, the only countries that have not signed it are North Korea, Pakistan, and Isreal. Good company, right?

          Israeal can submit to normal monitoring by the IAEA just like every other nuclear power that isn't a rogue state. Just like we do and we have far more enemies than Israel. In fact, if Iran gets a nuclear weapon America is much more likely to get hit before Israel is.

          Totally with you on the Iran thing. But that's not an excuse not to comply with international law.

        •  No one said anything about "giving up" weapons (0+ / 0-)

          But Israel has refused to declare how many weapons it has or join a treaty. That's bullshit

          The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

          by LiberalLady on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 11:41:29 AM PST

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      •  They haven't signed those treaties (1+ / 0-)
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        so, no, technically.

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 08:32:14 AM PST

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    •  I should have added the bioweapons and chemical (1+ / 0-)
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      weapons conventions as well. Israel hasn't committed to those either and US intelligence have long published their opinions that Israel has both a biological and a chemical weapons program.

    •  Against whom would Israel (1+ / 0-)
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      use its nukes?  With the exception of Iran, all of the states Israel would be most likelky to go to war against are too close to Israel for the employment of nukes.  Unless Israelis are magically impervious to fallout, and I somehow doubt that's the case.

    •  This is a tired canard (0+ / 0-)

      Jordan is not an enemy of Israel, and neither is Egypt. If Israel can have nuclear weapons as a "deterrent", why can't Iran? Israel should declare its weapons  -- as every other nation with nukes has done.

      The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

      by LiberalLady on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 11:40:03 AM PST

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