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  •  I think you are wrong to the extent you suggest (1+ / 0-)
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    Kane in CA

    that this site is sympathetic to Hamas.

    I share your frustration that -- far too often -- certain people's analyses here seem to completely ignore the fact that Hamas is a vile organization, comprised of Jew-hating terrorist thugs. But the most likely reason is because recognition of this fact wouldn't fit into certain convenient narratives.

    But that is different than expressing sympathy (or support) for Hamas.  

    •  You know... (and livosh you know where I stand) (2+ / 0-)
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      sandbox, Kane in CA

      after this latest round... I am going to disagree with you regarding the site.

      I agree with your comment here and it appears repeating

      far too often -- certain people's analyses here seem to completely ignore the fact that Hamas is a vile organization, comprised of Jew-hating terrorist thugs. But the most likely reason is because recognition of this fact wouldn't fit into certain convenient narratives.
      While there may not be outright support for Hamas here there is a lot of sympathy for and defense of them.

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      by volleyboy1 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 11:44:10 AM PST

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        Brecht

        I think there is great sympathy for all people living under occupation, as there should be. But there is also much denunciation of attacks on civilians -- on both sides. There are more Palestinians than members of Hamas. Half of Gaza's population was under age when Hamas was elected -- therefore unable to vote. Very few on this site who denounce Hamas mention the West Bank at all. Did the rest of Palestinians disappear?

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        by LiberalLady on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 11:48:32 AM PST

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      •  Nonsense (0+ / 0-)

        This "fellow traveler with Hamas", and pallin' around with terrorists meme has to stop.   It is McCarthyism of our era.  One can be for dignity and rights of labor, without being a marxist.   To make those connections only reflects the shallowness and poverty of the argument for continuing denial of rights.  One can be for self determination and freedom from terror and hunger of an oppressed people and anti-Hamas.  Most of us are.  

        •  Oh bullshit (1+ / 0-)
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          livosh1

          Oh stop with the drama....

          First of all it is not McCarthyism... no one is being, arrested or hauled in front of House Committees. No one is saying you don't have a right to publish your opinions or anything else. So save it:

          One can be for self determination and freedom from terror and hunger of an oppressed people and anti-Hamas.  Most of us are.  
          Amazing... so you one can be for self-determination... and yet people are very quick to deny the self-determination of only the Jewish People, particularly when they talk in terms of the one state solution. Oh wait... people can be for freedom for terror... yet, when hundreds and thousands of rockets rain down on Israeli civilian targets not a word is spoken. No diaries, no nothing. AND when people stand up to that terror they are called Likud supporters. As far as anti-Hamas... Oh really. Tell me, oh oppressed one, WHERE are the anti-Hamas diaries and commentary here. Aside from single throw away lines about Hamas, there is nothing.

          Oh and in a week when Assad forces killed 817 Syrian civilians... Daily Kos went nuts about Israel with nary a word about anyone else. It seems only when Israel or Jews are involved is when people need to get their panties in a wad.

          So please... spare us the bullshit about your great humanity. When you actually give a shit and care about the rights of people of all kinds THEN let us know.

          McCarthyism my ass.

          "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

          by volleyboy1 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 12:56:55 PM PST

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      •  OK, we disagree (0+ / 0-)

        Can you show me the examples of stuff here that demonstrates either support for or sympathy for Hamas? I think there is a difference between the "let's shit on Israel" diaries/comments and expressions of support or sympathy for Hamas. Do you think this is a Hamas-friendly website?

        •  To your last question... (0+ / 0-)

          I am not sure about that. I think previously I would have argued that it is not. HOWEVER, I think lately it may be. That however, is just my opinion.

          To refine that, while it may not be "Hamas-friendly", it is certainly "Hamas - Tolerant". Would you disagree with that?

          As for the the first part. Sure, I can. Let me go look at a couple of diaries off the top of my head. We'll see.

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          by volleyboy1 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 04:00:13 PM PST

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          •  Umm (0+ / 0-)

            Way, way off topic.   If you and livosh want to discuss whether dkosers are "Hamas tolerant", "Hamas friendly", or whatever --  or not,  why not take it to email, or over to your blog, where I believe livosh is a contributor?  Or write a diary about it.

            I mean of course I can't stop you two from continuing with this line of off-topic,  and of course highly inflammatory discussion in TT's diary, but just because it's now off the rec list it doesn't mean the diary thread shouldn't stay on topic.

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