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  •  Yes, he could (5+ / 0-)
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    I have no idea why the Diarist chose to structure his point in this manner.

    It invites readers to go to the sources and compare.

    In this case ... You, and Kristol win, hands down.

    I think the Diarist here has missed the point you were making which is a pity, because in my humble view, you made it very well.

    One of your better Diaries.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    by twigg on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:38:20 AM PST

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    •  i agree with the policy point (0+ / 0-)

      the use of private home generators as a metaphor supports the point, but used this way, it clouds the question of rebuilding the power distribution infrastructure.  I didn't argue the policy point, and I said so.  I objected to the use of that metaphor.

      there are other problems with the exact example:  the price point of houses with generators should be looked at again, i am sure it is much higher; $10k generators are still on the small side and cannot replace the current a typical house draws (100 or 200 amps is common; 400 amps is not unusual).  

      the really large systems have the quality of being a rich man's toy.  but they could also play an important role if they were properly licensed and regulated.

      Dirigiste vs Free Mkt -6.25/ Libertarian vs Authoritarian -4.72

      by bob in ny on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 08:08:05 AM PST

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      •  rich man's toy... (0+ / 0-)

        The problem for society is that the rich man will install his toy regardless of rules or regulation. Having the means is seen as the equivalent to being entitled.

        Proper isolation from the grid so it does not feed back into downed power lines, does not suck natural gas out of the utility lines at the expense of others etc. fuel trucks tearing up the streets etc.

        Never mind pollution, a major problem in India's cities, but perfectly transferable to America's cities.

    •  agreeing with twigg and others here (6+ / 0-)

      bob in ny gets way out in the weeds (interesting topic to be sure) but his premise doesn't resonate with me. Kristoff and Ken clearly made the point that folks with enough money can provide "public" services for themselves when the public system fails, while others cannot.  

      The power generation decentralization ideas are certainly interesting, but I don't see where you make the jump from the Kristoff/Ken argument to the power generation argument.  

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