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  •  absolutely true. i was reading the imdb reviews (13+ / 0-)

    for the lincoln movie the other day, & some die-hard pro-confederacy asshole was arguing in the comments' board about the superiority of slavery over paying wages to workers (!!) in the ante-bellum economy & how that was the real reason yankees wanted to end slavery, not b/c of human rights issues -- the north was at a disadvantage with the south b/c its businesses paid workers instead of treating them like livestock, & the north wanted to put an end to what was seen as "unfair competition" -- !

    conservatives, especially in the south, are still trying to refashion history to suit their warped view of it, still clinging to the same old comforting mythologies about racial superiority that feeds their sexual inadequacies -- & yes, that's really what's at the core of racial prejudice: sexual dysfunction -- just try going there with a real rwnj & note the reaction.

    •  Yup. (5+ / 0-)
      conservatives, especially in the south, are still trying to refashion history to suit their warped view of it, still clinging to the same old comforting mythologies about racial superiority that feeds their sexual inadequacies -- & yes, that's really what's at the core of racial prejudice: sexual dysfunction -- just try going there with a real rwnj & note the reaction.
      I can't say here about conversations I've had with some White Southerners - too impolite for this site - but mostly they've revolved around the quote above.  On more than one level they grappled with real feelings of impotency.    
      •  I've seen it in action (7+ / 0-)

        During college years in Atlanta I spent 2 years going to a suburban Baptist church. Big church, predominantly white and professional and affluent.

        We had a GREAT church basketball team until one year a new member came out to play with us. He was black and he could hoop, not better than us but certainly as good as us. Half the team quit - and the reason they gave was his white wife. They didn't "hold with that".

        I was shocked. Shouldn't have been - a few months later the church voted to move 40 miles further south of Atlanta and away from the community they'd served for 30 years because that community was getting blacker.

        These are the pillars of southern society. They aren't the whole story and I have many positive memories of the south and its citizens too... but my personal experience has taught me to be wary of the south (and it goes far beyond the racism, since I heard pro-war and anti-environmental sermons met with choruses of "Amens!").

        barn's burnt down; now i can see the moon - Basho

        by sfgary on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 10:50:42 AM PST

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    •  Lincoln made the same argument (7+ / 0-)

      If you see the current movie, there's a scene in which a northern Democrat (I think from Indiana) is asked to vote against slavery (for the 13th Amendment) because it's hard for northern wage-paying industry to compete against slavery.

      One can make similar arguments today about duty-free imports from some countries.

      This argument doesn't denigrate the human rights argument; it just reflects additional harm caused by slavery, in this case to free people.

      •  In the book "Battle Cry Of Freedom", by... (3+ / 0-)

        ...James M. McPherson, a different point is made about competition between the two methods of arranging society.  McPherson argues that slave states could not compete with non-slave states for a number of reasons.  Since the proof of the pudding is in the tasting, he points to numbers of arms manufacturers, miles of track laid and overall industrial production to make some of his points.

        Why, for instance, did immigrants concentrate in the non-slave North?

      •  The harm was caused by GREED*, slavery was (2+ / 0-)
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        just the method to that end.

        *The Root of All Evil, per the Bible

        "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

        by glorificus on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 12:53:42 PM PST

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    •  Slavery vs "paid" (3+ / 0-)

      I'm not much of a "die-hard pro-confederacy asshole," but I've often thought that in some ways slavery was--I don't know if "superior" is the right word, but--in some important ways better than the system we have today of "paying" for what still amounts to slave labor. My view is more an indictment of our current system than a defense of slavery. How it looks to the slave/worker, I don't know.

      One of the main differences is that at least slave owners had some incentive to take care of the people they "owned," i.e., in some manner they fed them and housed them and, I guess, tried to keep them alive.

      Today an "employer" can demand everything an "employee" can produce with his/her life and yet not pay that employee a wage they can live on--enough to eat and have a place to stay--or give one flying fuck whether that person lives or dies.

      •  And (3+ / 0-)

        in this system the "employer" can even feel good about "providing" jobs. Fuck me.

      •  And another thing (5+ / 0-)
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        I've come to see the "homeless epidemic" in this same light. If it weren't doing some "good" it wouldn't be allowed to exist. So, why is it given the prominence in the media it has and yet nothing effective is being done about it?

        It is being used to drive people to take these jobs that will not support them. I think "employers" want you to see pictures and read stories of homeless people just so you understand that nobody gives a shit if you become homeless. They want to scare you so bad that you will take a job--any job--even one that won't pay you enough to live on. Maybe even more than one job like that!

        I know it scares the shit out of me. Gotta love those job producers.

      •  my ancestors owned slaves. they lynched them, (1+ / 0-)
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        too.

        so much for the theory of taking care of them & trying to keep them alive.

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