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  •  Mmm, you mean the part where (5+ / 0-)

    you have to get elected first, and then you can do stuff? Yes, I'm sure that aspect of Lincoln's career did not escape Obama...

    •  That could be another reason I wept: (5+ / 0-)

      The "perfect is the enemy of the good" commonality between Lincoln and Obama, and their respective wisdom.  Most of Obama's questioned decisions were excellent in retrospect:

      the 2010 deal (which enabled START, repeal of DADT and unemp.extension to pass and which set up the current GOP bind on taxes.

      Obamacare passing, rather than dying on the cross of a public option.

      The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

      by Upper West on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 08:13:09 PM PST

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    •  Exactly my point, but in reference to Lincoln. (1+ / 0-)
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      I wonder if his quotes about his indifference to slavery were intended to garner support among those who supported slavery, by making it not about slavery, but rather national unity.

      Okay, I'll just say it. I don't think Obama's opinion evolved, I think his public statements did. I wonder if Lincoln underwent a similar political evolution wherein his public statements gradually came to reflect his true opinion once he had the political goodwill to close the deal.

      "Jersey_Boy" was taken.

      by New Jersey Boy on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:26:47 AM PST

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      •  He never liked it, but he was a politician (0+ / 0-)

        and he had to convince people. If you read the debates between Lincoln and Douglas, you see Lincoln denying that he helped start the Republican party (who's original platform was pretty much abolitionism). Why would he deny it? Because his position was extreme for his time and he knew it. So he had to sound somewhat indifferent, if he had come out fully in support of what he believed, many would have considered him too extreme. He needed to get the people who were somewhat neutral on the issue, those who might have sympathized but thought the abolitionists were too hardcore. And for that he needed to play a lot of politics, and yes, he had to lie.

        And in the end he was able to accomplish his goals, he was a very skilled politician and he succeeded. I think what many don't realize, is just how masterful a politician he was. Lincoln helped found the Republican party, being responsible for most of it. A party that was basically about stopping the spread of slavery and ending it if at all possible. He then managed to successfully distance himself enough to become president, and then did away with it. And I don't doubt that if he wasn't assassinated, he would have managed to stop a lot of the awful abuses towards the freed slaves in the early days. I think history would have been much, much different were he not killed.

        As long as we have love, we will always triumph over hate, for love is the most powerful force in the universe. There is nothing greater.

        by Crazy Moderate on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 05:12:53 PM PST

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