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  •  If you have a way of substituting (0+ / 0-)

    for the global fossil fuel habit that is cheaper than what they're doing now, I'm sure we'd all love to hear of it.

    "Wars not make one great" -- Yoda

    by Cassiodorus on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 12:43:41 PM PST

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    •  That doesn't answer the question (0+ / 0-)

      the question is why more expensive energy makes things impossible, given that the capitalist system has dealt with all kinds of fluctuations in the price of energy historically.  Renewable energy is more expensive now, but on current trends that will not remain the case, and even now it is not that expensive relatively.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 12:48:34 PM PST

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      •  The problem is one of quantity (0+ / 0-)

        The capitalist system requires ever-more-increasing levels of throughput and intensity just to maintain its levels of profit.  It's a matter of grow or die.  You might be able to get "cheap energy" for marginal alternative energy systems as long as they stay marginal, but what happens when they're being asked to substitute for a 3.1 billion gallon/day oil habit and a coal habit equivalent to the oil habit in its carbon emissions?

        "Wars not make one great" -- Yoda

        by Cassiodorus on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:20:53 PM PST

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