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  •  How do you propose the Democrats (3+ / 0-)

    ram the Obama tax cuts down the Republicans' throats when the Republicans still control the House?  Such a Republican tactic may (or may not) cause them to lose the election in 2014, but that just heaps misery on the middle class for another two years.  And keep in mind there is far more to the fiscal cliff than tax rates, much of which will also hit the middle and lower classes extremely hard.

    It doesn't seem possible that the voters can be convinced that the deficit can be ignored, much less increased, without damage to the country.  No one the public sees on their TV screens every day is telling the truth about this.   We shouldn't be addressing the deficit right now at all.

    Someone besides Paul Krugman and other economists that most people never heard of should be taking on the task.  It's past time to educate voters about the deficit instead of setting their hair on fire about it.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:17:10 AM PST

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    •  If it takes pain then so be it. (2+ / 0-)
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      What we have in the TP/GOP is a reactionary group so dedicated to the benefit of an economic elite that breaking them requires a real push. Threats such as Thiessen's proposition must not begin to counter resolve to correct the budget and political situation.

      First, I do not think the House will long stand against the resolve of Democrats to refuse to put the long term interests of that middle class on the table to get a settlement.

      I do think that Democrats caving again and giving up resolve to not do long term damage to Social Security, Medicare and other programs will have a detrimental effect on the country and the party.

      As for other people taking on the task? Yes, most certainly. Every Democrat's campaign engine, including Obama's need to be turned on to a campaign to actually win some policy victories and not just seats.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:38:34 AM PST

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      •  Dismissing damage to the middle class (0+ / 0-)

        and poor in this political climate will do more damage to the Democrats to the Republicans.  The public expects the Republicans to defend the moneyed interests of this country, and they depend on the Democrats to defend their interests.  The Republicans will endlessly demonize the Democrats for abandoning the middle class's interests - laughing all the way to the bank - and the Democrats will pay a political price come 2014 too.

        Also it would take a series of major undertakings to undo all the damage the rest of the cuts to the middle class and interests of the poor - still having to work with a Republican House - contained in the "fiscal cliff," many of which simply couldn't be undone.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:48:05 AM PST

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        •  So, you counsel surrender on the 1%'s tax cuts? (1+ / 0-)
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          That is what I'm hearing from you.

          What next? Oh, they can be driven to put the "entitlements" on the table by our intransigence so lets demand personhood for embryos and all the rest!

          There is a reason police and all other law enforcement counsels against paying blackmail and ransom demands. It is the first step to a lifetime of paying and paying and paying in the first and rarely works out well in the last.

          The answer is to this time not cave, to take the fire into the TP/GOP's house and use every platform the Democrats and like minded people have to make sure the public understands.

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

          by pelagicray on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 07:49:39 AM PST

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          •  I'm not counseling surrender on the 1% tax cuts. (0+ / 0-)

            I'm hoping for a miracle before the end of the year.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:22:48 PM PST

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            •  Hope is not a plan. (0+ / 0-)

              The more probably actual consequence of letting the Bush tax cuts expire will give us the opportunity to examine a wide range of tax issues, including the cap on deductions and those corporations that are very profitable and paying no, nada, nil tax even while shipping jobs overseas. As a number of experts and commentators have noted, the fiscal "cliff" is a slope taking place over plenty of time to do course corrections.

              The middle class and poor will suffer much more over the long term if there is panic in the short term. There is a Bible parable about selling your birthright for a bowl of porridge now. It is the tale of a fool that suffered for a long time as a result.

              Members of my family have already suffered from this mess. None are talking hurry up and make a bad deal, sell us out for the future. It is time for us all to stop that crap and let our politicians know we won't tolerate a sell out.

              The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

              by pelagicray on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:39:45 PM PST

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    •  The deficit (1+ / 0-)
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      doesn't mean a thing to voters: it's a Beltway construct designed to deflect any kind of positive action toward progressive policies that will fuel economic growth.

      It is the greatest red herring in the history of legislative and policy narratives.  Not even Agatha Christie would have written one as glaringly obvious as this.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 08:02:48 AM PST

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