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  •  that's a much better idea, newton123 (7+ / 0-)

    but it still does not solve the quorum question

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    by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 12:13:58 PM PST

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    •  40 filibutserers plus 10 opponents (6+ / 0-)

      That switches the burden from 1:50 in favor of the filibuster team to 40:10 in favor of the filibuster opponents. Newton123's plan would defititely make the filibuseer much harder to accomplish.

    •  Quorum - Change the rules (4+ / 0-)
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      Sychotic1, notrouble, davelf2, IreGyre

      The First order of business of the next congress is to establish the rules of business in the chamber.  Each session starts as literally a clean slate and a resolution is necessary to be voted on by a majority of the chamber to accept the rules.  

      Usually this is just a procedural vote.  Not this coming session.

      Unless it is defined in the Constitution, (I don't think it is but I'm not 100% on that) the Quorum is whatever the rules state it is.  So, you can have a rule change that (a) requires the entire membership of the party advocating the filibuster remain in the chamber during the filibuster. (dangerous, the more opposition party there, the greater possibility of mischief).  you can lower the Quorum to 40, or 30, or whatever number Reid may decide on.  If the Democratic Majority votes it in as a rule on the first action of the first day of the session, then they are stuck with it.

      Reid is going to try to create Filibuster rules that will allow him to effectively stop a filibuster yet at the same time make it difficult for for him to stop the filibuster, remember, someday he may be in the minority again, at which point he is really, really going to want a vehicle to use to get his side's point across.   He absolutely has to find a way to move business forward in the face of a filibuster or face another disastrous session that does not bode well for his legacy.

      I like that lowering of the quorum for the duration of the filibuster, It allows some Dems out of the chamber to conduct interviews and influence the public opinion.   The forty present to continue a quorum is nice too, but I do see some thorns concerning if the are less dems than the opposition.

      For example what if, during a filibuster, there were less dems than repubs in the chamber.  The person having the filibuster calls for a closed session under the senate rules and is seconded.  You are now faced with a chamber with a majority republican in a "secret session" and they can pass all kinds of legislation to their hearts' content as long as they are in the majority.  

      See, it's not a easy as you think.  

      Mr Reid is in the back room treading very carefully, crafting something that will protect the minority but allow him (as Majority Leader) to keep business moving forward.  

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      by NevDem on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 01:08:22 PM PST

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