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  •  What I *really* don't get... (3+ / 0-)

    What I really don't get is where Germany (and specifically Der Spiegel) gets off criticizing the US on stuff like this, while essentially telling Greece that they must do much worse to their citizens. (And yes, Der Spiegel is one of the voices calling for more and more austerity.) It's baffling.

    •  Not really. If we boomed, we'd pull them along, an (2+ / 0-)
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      SanFernandoValleyMom, NoMoreLies

      d Greece too.  OTOH, if Thugs paralyze us for another decade, we'll drag everyone down with us... until China establishes hegemony.

    •  What you don't get is that the US is a very rich (19+ / 0-)

      country that could easily afford to insure everyone - arguably saving money overall over what it spends now on health care - while Greece is a much poorer country that has to be more careful about how it spends its money.

      What you also don't get is that Der Spiegel isn't "Germany" and it certainly isn't the "German Government" and it certainly doesn't suggest the US default on its government debt in order to pay for Americans' health care.

      •  *sigh* (0+ / 0-)

        Germany has the power and the money to prevent Greece from literally decimating its citizens (currently 5% of Greece's citizens have no income whatsoever, including from family or government assistance, and another 5% have fled the country to escape that state). They have chosen instead to tell Greece that it is a bad little country and therefore its citizens must be punished, the innocent (and already poor) much more than the guilty. And, since it's not going to work, since it is already clear that this austerity, this punishment is actually costing Germany more than it would for Germany to actually help Greece, it's also becoming clear that actually fixing the problem isn't the real goal here, and that the purging will go on until Greece gives up and pulls out of the Euro, which is something Germany definitely does NOT want to happen.

        Der Spiegel has been a leading voice in the call for more austerity for Greece, for Germany not to help. Blah blah moral hazard blah blah bootstraps blah. All the while ignoring the fact that it is literally impossible for Europe to do what Germany suggests that it should, which is to say, every country in Europe should run a net trade surplus with the rest of the EU.

        And, of course, the real irony which you intentionally overlook is that if the US were to implement a good first-world health care setup for its citizens, it would cost a LOT in the first decade, and certainly would add significantly to the deficit before it started to bring down the deficit. Which is just what would happen if Greece were bailed out and properly policed. Which is definitely NOT what Der Spiegel advocates.

    •  There was a time Fred, when we held German POWs (3+ / 0-)
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      ClapClapSnap, melo, Emmy

      in camps in the US. And we paid them for their labor, and offered them medical care, did not torture them, and we even gave them access to distance learning via our colleges and universities.


      We torture people we declare enemy combatants, we spy on our own people, we don't pay for a good education for our own Veterans, nor give them adequate healthcare, while we still brag that we are the best there is.

      Quite a departure from the America, that Germany knew in their worst of times.

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