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  •  To kacemo - Please see the quote below (2+ / 0-)
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    (Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found...

    sig...You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

    by Democrats Ramshield on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:45:52 PM PST

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    •  But does the indicate the decline of America? (1+ / 0-)
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      Not really, considering that there has NEVER been universal health care in this country  - in fact, before WW2 and the massive conscription at that time (when all conscripts were given physicals) - no one really had a clear idea what the overall health status of the general population was (much less doing anything about it).

      If anything, with ObamaCare, health care in this country is reaching an all time high in equality, the opposite of "decline" in the sense that most people and he dictionary use the word.

      •  It indicates (1+ / 0-)
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        the total moral corruption of America's leaders.

        And the ignorance of it's people.

        There are a few green shoots visible, but not many.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        by twigg on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53:45 PM PST

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        •  In a democracy, people get the leadership (1+ / 0-)
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          they deserve - wrt health care, the majority are satisfied with THEIR health care.  

          And thus the leaders follow - the point being not whether or not there is total moral corruption involved, just that it should be placed at the feet of the majority of the people rather the leaders per se.

          •  Not sure I agree with this (1+ / 0-)
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            Especially when some of the moral corruption can be laid at the feet of the SCOTUS.

            The constitution was supposed to protect the people from this kind of influence, yet it is clearly failing to do so.

            At least part of that is the responsibility of the press.

            I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
            but I fear we will remain Democrats.

            by twigg on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 09:21:34 AM PST

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            •  It's simply selfishness on the part of the (2+ / 0-)
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              majority of people (with majority perhaps being as low as the proverbial 50% plus 1) - personally I know several people who are quite concerned about losing the cushy health care benefits for some that are likely less cushy.

              Whether that is fantasy or not is hard to judge, but from talking to them, they simply don't give a damn, or are completely not interested in going from a really good plan (let's put a value of 120 on it) to a good plan (let's value it at 100) so that the 20% of Americans who currently have NO insurance can be covered.

              to me this is not a failure of leadership, it's a good example of where it is really true that "society" is too blame.

      •  there wasn't electricity (0+ / 0-)

        in much of the US in pre - WWII America.  Now, most of the world has universal health care - we still don't. Our progress compared to the rest of the world is abysmal.

        If I remember right, the poor state of health of recruits in WWI was the impetus for the school lunch program. Social sanitary movements kept good records, public health systems and hospitals were keeping records.

        This boy is Ignorance and this girl is Want. Beware them both, but most of all beware this boy for on his brow I see that written which is Doom.” ― Charles Dickens, A Christmas Carol

        by nolagrl on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:32:20 AM PST

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