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  •  Was there turmoil? (3+ / 0-)
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    Le Gauchiste, NY brit expat, JayRaye

    I didn't see any turmoil that wasn't the usual Black Friday stuff. In fact, the whole story seems to be that the Walmart workers don't WANT to create turmoil, their goals are elsewhere.

    So isn't Julius Getman's statement irrelevant?

    •  Good point. (3+ / 0-)
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      I guess the question is what Getman meant by "turmoil," and I'm willing to assume that he meant the term broadly, to include the kind of scenes that did occur at Walmart stores.

      The thing is, this will be a long process - it would be shockingly fast if a Walmart union was able to sign a collectively bargained contract with Walmart within 10 years.

      "Karl Marx and Frederick Engels came to the checkout at the 7-11 Marx was skint - but he had sense Engels lent him the necessary pence What have we got? Yeh-o, magnificence!!" (The Clash, 1976-1983)

      by Le Gauchiste on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 03:41:48 PM PST

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      •  Do you think that should even be a goal? (1+ / 0-)
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        JayRaye

        I mean, a "WalMart union." For good or ill (at least 75% ill) unions as we have known them are fading. Is a new union really the right step forward? Or does the very concept need to be updated for the modern era? Everything I've read about the current action indicates it's being done by people who are interested in social justice but don't seem particularly interested in unions, at least as a label.

        I hope to watch developments closely because I wonder if non-union collective action of exactly this type is the wave of the future while traditional unions are the past.

        •  Doesn't have to be either/or can be (0+ / 0-)

          both/and.

          Having sat at the bargaining table, I can say with certainty, that nothing else is quite the equal to that relationship. We are equals at the bargaining table. And that is true reason why the bosses hate Unions so much.

          But in the face of the difficulties in Unionization, these new creative organizing tactics are inspiring.

          The only complaint that I have with OUR Walmart is that they continue to use the term "associate."

          But, of course, it is not for me to tell them how to define themselves.

          WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Lives lost trying to earn a living.

          by JayRaye on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:56:19 AM PST

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    •  I think from Walmart's point of view, (4+ / 0-)

      Yes! there was turmoil.

      11 protesters at a Walmart in San Antonio brot out 5 squad cars, 4 hung around in the parking lot for 2 hours, and circled us continuously after that as did the Walmart managers. A regional manager showed up.

      Meanwhile we kept right on peacefully protesting.

      But for them and for the police driving round and round, yes! They seemed to be in some turmoil.

      Walmart has been put on notice.
      No more business as usual where they have total control the message and have everything their own way all the time everywhere they put their mighty foot down.

      For them, that might be the very definition of turmoil.

      WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Lives lost trying to earn a living.

      by JayRaye on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 05:54:20 PM PST

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      •  Hmm, WalMart (1+ / 0-)
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        ....always tries to respond with overwhelming force when they heard whispers of collective action, right? I suppose the most important thing is to what extent WalMart employees who did not strike noticed, and to what extent customers noticed.

        Btw, I've been trying to find out: Did WalMart fire anyone over the November demonstrations?

        •  Walmart employees who struck on (0+ / 0-)

          Black Friday did so as part of ULP actions, & do have some protection, esp with organization behind them (whether that organization is a union or not).

          Don't know if anyone was fired. I'm signed up several places for updates, & haven't yet heard of any firings. Walmart is under legal scrutiny at this time for retaliatory practice (these are illegal), may be watching its p & qs, at least for now.

          Unfair Labor Practices Strike:
          http://labornotes.org/...

          WE NEVER FORGET Our Labor Martyrs: a project to honor the men, women and children who lost their lives in Freedom's Cause. For Nov: Lives lost trying to earn a living.

          by JayRaye on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:55:28 AM PST

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