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  •  At this point in time, (0+ / 0-)

    before negotiations over the so-called Grand Bargain are over I think any talk of filibuster reform is ill advised. We may need the filibuster to avoid destruction of Social Security and Medicare.

    "Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can't afford to double-down on trickle-down." Bill Clinton

    by irate on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:01:47 PM PST

    •  If a majority of Senators and (0+ / 0-)

      Congresspeople are willing to pass those bills into law, and the public lets them stand and get re-elected forevermore, then the majority of the public has spoken. And finally, if the Supreme Court lets it all happen, then so be it. Minority rule is not democratic, regardless of the outcomes.

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:08:04 PM PST

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      •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

        I don't really think that the majority of Congressmen/women really represent the majority of the people but rather well entrenched financial interests. In particular, any cuts in SS benefits, a program that has provided this nation with a 2.5 trillion dollar surplus since the last time it was "reformed"  is nothing but an added tax on the first $106,000 of earned income whether the "majority" is aware of it or not.  I would welcome any senator to draw a line in the sand, filibuster any "Grand Bargain" and stand up for the majority of Americans. Across the board cuts, and returning tax rates to Pre-bush era rates would be preferable to the long term screwing of wage-earning Americans.

        "Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can't afford to double-down on trickle-down." Bill Clinton

        by irate on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:25:40 PM PST

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        •  Sure, but that's the system (0+ / 0-)

          of governance we have. You want revolution? Go for it.

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 02:33:43 PM PST

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    •  filibusters CAN exist with different rules (3+ / 0-)
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      they should just change them to require actually defense of the floor. Now they just phone in a standing objection to everything. Put a face to it and make the obstructionists invest something of themselves to actually defend their indefensible bs

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