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  •  Look, if there were some data here (2+ / 0-)
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    that indicated that Walmart's death rate for its suspects was higher than industry average, or something like that, I'd be on board as to thinking they may have a problem. But that requires data, maybe a year's worth of data, or at least a month, from Walmart and lots of other companies. All this diary is about is a few anecdotal cases. There is no data with which we can make any conclusions whatsoever about how good a job Walmart does ensuring that their security guards are good. Maybe they are the best ever. Who the hell knows anything from the simple fact that a few dudes died? Do people here realize that Walmart has 9,000 stores?

    •  It's true, contextual data would be needed (2+ / 0-)
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      in order to extrapolate from "a few bad apples" into a conclusion of "another extra-evil policy from Walmart".  

      For instance in my hometown of Albuquerque, NM, police homicides ARE, statistically speaking, out of control.  In relation to other cities of our size, income distribution, crime rate, etc, in the last few years our cops have consistently killed WAY more suspects than their peers.  It's not just that there were some shootings -- it's that the shootings are STATISTICALLY too numerous to make ANY sense.   Ergo, there IS some evil afoot.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:50:36 PM PST

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    •  You are out of your mind (3+ / 0-)
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      Who the hell knows anything from the simple fact that a few dudes died?
      They died in the name of cheap plastic crap made by de facto slaves on the other side of the world, living in squalor beyond your imagination.

      They died at the hands of Wal Mart employees performing their job duties.

      These are facts. Data are irrelevant.  Utterly.  Irrelevant.  Either you actively seek to obfuscate the issue or you're just an idiot.  I hope it's the latter.

      •  All you know is that they died. (2+ / 0-)
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        If the employee is responsible, all that means is that Walmart has a few bad employees. It does NOT tell you that Walmart has some policy that is more aggressive that appropriate. Any organization with 2.2 million employees is going to have some bad ones. That is all you can discern from such a tiny number of cases here.

        Let's face it, these days any diary with any bad info whatsoever about Walmart gets onto the rec list, and few people even question the substance of the rant. In this case, a company with 9,000 stores experiences a few shoplifter deaths. And people like you assume it must be some evil policy they have, without bothering to think through the math.

    •  Everyone who writes an anti-Walmart diary... (1+ / 0-)
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      badger

      should be required to do original research to develop a statistical case for their view.

      Makes sense to me.

      And all for free.

      You're hilarious, if irritating.

      •  Only if they want it to (0+ / 0-)

        mean something about Walmart. If not, it is just an anecdotal story, that tells us something about a couple of random employees in a sea of 2 million, but nothing at all about the corporation.  I am really surprised that so many here are so blinded by their hate of Walmart that they can't comprehend the concept of the Law of Large Numbers. If a person wants to write a diary that claims that a company that experiences a few deaths has a "culture of murder", and some people want to accept that, without question, that's fine. For some reason I thought I'd spend some time trying to help people out of their stupor a bit. Perhaps the stupor is deeper than I even imagined.

        •  You're always trying to help us out of... (1+ / 0-)
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          any objection to wealth and power wielded irresponsibly or even ruthlessly.  Your defense of authority is consistent, along with your pose as the great defender of "reality-based" reasoning.

          •  Only when it just isn't the case. (1+ / 0-)
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            netop

            I don't like the business practices of Walmart. But if someone trips at a Walmart that doesn't mean that they have a culture of tripping and if a few people have even been murdered by staff members that doesn't mean that the company has a bad security policy. Where did anybody post this policy? If there is a bad policy, why not post it? The Walmart employee handbook is not a secret document. There's no evidence in this diary of a bad policy, or unusual hiring practices, whatsoever. It's a giant store and maybe a couple of people have been killed by overzealous security guards. That's all we know. So when a bunch of you want to jump to all sorts of unsupported conclusions, it is not a pro-business thing to defend them. I'm approaching this a lot more rationally than you, clearly.

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