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  •  I just don't get it... (0+ / 0-)

    How are all these people being killed with choke holds?  

    Is it just that these rent-a-cops are not well-trained in the proper application of choke holds, or is it that the thieves are suffering from problematic medical conditions (bad hearts, etc.) that predated them being placed in a choke hold?  Or is it that they were also beaten by third parties once rendered helpless in the choke hold?  Because I've trained martial arts for seven years, practicing choke holds almost every week, and I've never seen even one accidental death or injury involving a choke hold in all that time, even during competitions where people were extremely motivated to win.  UFC wouldn't be a sport if it was impossible to learn to apply a choke hold with control, so before this technique acquires an undeserved reputation for being "teh deadly," I'd really like to hear what the other circumstances were.

    •  Untrained employees (2+ / 0-)
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      These are not trained professional security personnel (who would avoid contact, entirely), but random schlubs working at the stores who are simply labeled security. Walmart wouldn't ever pay for real security, it would cost them a few extra cents per store, per day.

      •  Choke holds aren't their job (0+ / 0-)

        There are some wanna-be vigilantes just itching for any excuse to use violence. People get rejected by police forces for good reason.

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        by A Citizen on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 07:38:45 PM PST

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      •  So now I wonder... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...What's the official policy?  Are Wal*Mart loss prevention people trained AT ALL in any restraint techniques?  Even Wal*Mart video-training? (Which would be a completely terrible way to try to learn restraining techniques-- there's no substitute for actual real-life practice.)

        Or is the company purposely hiring ex-military, ex-cops or martial artists who (at least in theory) learned the techniques elsewhere?  If these are skills Wal*Mart expects workers to bring to the job, they should probably have some kind of pre-employment test to see if candidates can perform them appropriately.  

        Also, is there any added incentive (a bonus, etc.) to the worker for actually catching a shoplifter?  Or are individual Wal*Mart workers ordered NOT to confront shoplifters, and we're just seeing the handiwork of a few individuals who want to be vigilantes-- ones who should never have been hired in the first place?

        I think the distinctions are important, because it would be helpful to know where along the line the bad decision or bad training originated.  Different situations would call for different interventions to fix the problem.

    •  Because using a choke hold to knock someone (4+ / 0-)

      out is fucking dangerous, even more so than tazers or pepper spray.  Why do you think cops no longer use them very much if at all?  Because if you get it wrong you kill them.

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      by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 08:30:53 PM PST

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    •  It's entirely possible (3+ / 0-)
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      that the victims had pre-existing medical conditions.

      One of the differences between applying restraint techniques as an athlete and applying them as a security professional is that the latter has to assume that it's entirely possible that the person they're restraining has a medical condition.

      Sports leagues generally require medical clearance for competitors, and leagues that practice potentially-dangerous techniques usually have trained first responders present in case something does go wrong.

      Working civilian security, on the other hand, you run into people with heart/respiratory conditions all the time, and you usually don't have a fully-supplied EMT on the scene with you. Different standards of caution apply - things like chokeholds and face-down holds can and do kill people.

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      by kyril on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 10:06:32 PM PST

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    •  UFC is not a sport. it's the fucking (0+ / 0-)

      Colliseum.

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      by PsychoSavannah on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:44:20 AM PST

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