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  •  So now I can finally tell Jill Stein to STFU (5+ / 0-)

    Seriously...  She has some nerve to say the Democratic Party, the ones responsible for Medicare and Social Security, want those programs to be on the chopping block.

    PUH-LEASE.

    •  It was only 30 to 40 years (2+ / 0-)
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      FG, sreeizzle2012

      ago that the Green Party was an important contributor to the national conversation, a Party that said many of the right things, but without the support needed to actually get many people elected. Their ideas had some small influence on the conversation though. Now look at it. Cynthia McKinney, a national embarrassment, is actually a prominent member of the Greens (and last cycle's presidential nominee). And Jill Stein, who brings to bear not only the most extreme positions for every major issue, but a personality that seems designed to make people NOT want to have anything to do with her (let alone vote for her). As a Democrat, I'm glad that the Greens are such a joke now, as it means we don't lose as many votes from our left wing. But as someone who leans left, I am embarrassed that our most extreme elements are now no better than those on the right.

      •  Right. And I love Green people (1+ / 0-)
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        The truth is, I love a lot of things the Green Party stands for but their influence is over.  Their new ideas are getting old although their concern over environmentalism is important to recognize.

        Seriously, I just think Jill Stein is becoming another partisan politician.  Most disaffected people who can't stand the two-party system seem to love Jill Stein and her views but I'm not naive.  I've witness Ralph Nader and his ridiculous, would-be presidential campaigns which were NOTHING about running for president and instead simply about activism.  When I vote for a president, I vote for a potential  PRESIDENT, not an activist.

        There were Green people who came up to me at an Earth Day celebration in 2004 in Berkeley and didn't want anything to do with Ralph Nader.  Then registered as Democrats and voted for John Kerry because they didn't want Dubya re-elected for a second term.  

        Oh and here's the even bigger hypocrisy:  Former Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson quits the Democratic Party and joins his own party just to run for President.  Wow, ANOTHER activist!  Anderson says he was disillusioned with Democrats over Barack Obama being too pro-war.  Seriously, is Anderson not aware that Daily Kos exists?  There are at least 100,000 (perhaps even more) grassroots activists on Daily Kos ready to help Anderson and his efforts to hold President Obama accountable because there are a LOT of anti-war Democrats on here.  A LOT of them, even many who still want Bush's crimes to be dealt with.

        But instead of talking about outreach on Daily Kos, Anderson had to run for President.  Some Democrat he was.

      •  Another thing.... (1+ / 0-)
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        doc2

        When then-San Francisco Board of Supervisors President Matt Gonzales ran for Mayor of San Francisco in 2003, there were a number of Democrats and Greens who voted for him.  One problem, was, Gonzales's ideas just weren't that practical.  Also, not a whole lot of the business community wanted him as Mayor and he was just not as likable as a guy compared to Gavin Newsom.

        Now Gavin Newsom may not be the most progressive Democrat in the world but he accomplished a hell of a lot more as Mayor than Matt Gonzales ever did when he was President of the Board of Supervisors.  Hell, Newsom's standing in the gay community is RED HOT and he was able to set a stage for a more business friendly San Francisco than a city which quite frankly was for the longest time too activism oriented and not results oriented.

        Look, don't get me wrong.  I'm about activism as long as it makes a difference and I believe small businesses shouldn't be put at a disadvantage due to more in restaurants or businesses.

        But really, Green Party candidates running for office have little or no charisma.  They always whine and moan about the two-party system and they never stop whining.  I'm just so sick of it.  Heard it once in 2000, again in 2004 but after that, it's like a broken record.

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