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  •  A religious friend of mine once said, in (8+ / 0-)

    commenting about "christians" like Perkins that the devil wears many disguises and the most effective is the cloak of Jesus.

    What we have here is the "devil" wearing the cloak of Jesus. Organized religion in the USA draws in hatelful people like moths to the flame and they use their religion to act out that hatred. They use their religion and their self-righteousness to be willfully blind and to wallow in sickness and evil while all the time deluding themselves  what good christians they are.

    The bible condemns the scribes and the pharisees but of course no christians see that this is refering to them.

    My friend would say that they are using their religion to run from god.

    The last place you are going to find a christian is in a church. (And the last place you will find truly ethical and moral people--for that's not the role churches play these days in the USA)

    •  I would suggest that you get to know more (9+ / 0-)

      serious Christians.  Many of us are dedicated to our religious communities and home places, to religious pluralism, and to the progressive agenda.  

      Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

      by tikkun on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 08:54:45 PM PST

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    •  Your brush may be too broad. There are many (4+ / 0-)

      following a path through life that seems ridiculous to others. TO me if their heart is true then I find no issue. I am an atheist by way of Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian, Catholic, Baptist, ... Too often what you say is true but then I have met very good people who believe and live what they believe. I too have condemned all who are believers  but in truth I do not see that it is my concern unless they are trying to make their beliefs the law that rules my life or choices. Each humans path through life is unique and its purpose or lack of any purpose is a true unknown  to anyone who is honest. How they get through life and how they do as little to harm others and do as much as  they can to help is to me the true measure of morality and decency. Most of us are influenced by our families and communities to believe or not depending on our experience at boths hands... A sense of being valued and respected is essential for all of us. There are bad people within religious communities and some of those communities are entirely corrupt and misled by bad actors who are in essence sociopaths intent only on their own satisfaction. But you will find probably an equal number of such people in every group to found on earth.

      The ones I call abominations are those who are great deceivers of others and of themselves because their true intent is to serve only themselves. Many times religion is used as the whip to control others and make them do what voices in someones head (as they claim) told them that god said so.

      I truly know whence you come. I have been angry at those churches I attended before I realized how they left me as a child at the mercy of psycho parents and aadmonished me for being 'bad' for bringing up thier transgressions against my reality not thier perception of what I should be or how I should be used. I struggle to have a generous and tolerant heart... It is the way I have found to peace... When my heart gets frantic I get just as bad in categorizing and dismissing others who for some reason frighten me... but it makes me feel worse.

      These people who would cheer evil are people lost in a wilderness with no peace unless others are controlled, no happiness unlesss there are others who are lower and more vulnerable then them and certainly no claim to morality except as a mask to hide thier pustulence.

      Fear is the Mind Killer...

      by boophus on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 09:24:30 PM PST

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