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  •  "Christian Leaders of America"...????? (1+ / 0-)
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    Congratulations on an almost Coulteresque slur against American Christians.  Who do you produce as "Christian Leaders of America?"  One noted leader of a right-wing pressure group, one less-noted leader of another right-wing pressure group (and failed conservative talk-show host), and a third "pastor" I, as an American Christian, have never heard of.  That's it?

    Where are the real "Christian Leaders of America" whose views you claim to present?  Can you find a single national leader of the Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Orthodox, or even Baptists who supports this bill?  I sincerely doubt it -- but you will find many who have explicitly denounced and opposed it.

    Please keep in mind that the vast majority of American Christians belong to one or another of these denominations.  They may, like members of any other religion. or those with no religion whatsoever, have personal political views somewhere along the continuum of liberal-to-conservative, but they don't view advocating for right-wing principles to be part of their faith.  Surveys have shown that only 20%, at most, of American Christians consider themselves fundamentalist/evangelical, and only a portion of them subscribe to the politically-conservative activism of the Robertsons or Perkinses.  Such groups have few members, but lots of money and guaranteed media visibility through their televangelism, plus their favored status with the conservative noise machine.  But, make no mistake, for the large majority of American Christians, such self-proclaimed authorities not only carry no weight, but don't even appear on their radar screens -- my guess would be that, should you ask the average American Christian whether Tony Perkins speaks for them, the response would be puzzlement that anyone was assuming they were influenced by the star of Psycho.

    In short, taking the opinions of three marginal political pressure-group leaders, and giving them a semblance of authority over those of us who are Christians by identifying them as the "Christian Leaders of America," is every bit as baseless and defamatory as Ms. Coulter's assertions that "liberals" are always working to aid America's enemies in the goal of destroying our country.

    •  I see where you're coming from but (2+ / 0-)
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      candideinnc, lotlizard

      Tony Perkins wrote the entire 2012 GOP platform.

      He's not marginal.

      Bryan J. Fischer is pretty much a kingmaker now in the GOP conservative base, taking the place of Jerry Falwell, who thankfully is finally dead.

      He's not marginal.

      Scott Lively's "teachings and activism" are why marriage equality is illegal in 32 states.

      He's not marginal.

      Just because you, or the average mainline Christian hasn't heard about them, does not mean they do not have extraordinary significant political influence. They do, and as others and the diarist have noted, they can't exactly do what they want here. That is why they're in Africa. They ARE leaders, and they DO have more influence than you clearly are aware of. I would recommend checking out Jeff Sharlet's work, for starters, and educating yourself, and then everyone else. These are the people who are why mainline Protestantism is in significant decline. That you regard them as fringe works entirely to their benefit. It's how they started steeplejacking in the first place.

      pseudoscience can kill

      by terrypinder on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:55:52 AM PST

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    •  significance (2+ / 0-)
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      terrypinder, lotlizard

      You may be correct.  However, these people have major microphones.  They are not minor figures in the campaign against gays.  Romney cowtowed to Fischer on his program, and Lively had influence in getting this horrific bill passed.  If these people didn't have lots of followers, they wouldn't have lots of money and, consequently, lots of power.  So Christians need to step up to the plate and not leave it to the Ugandan gays to defend themselves against America's Christianist cults.

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