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  •  Also a great plan. (1+ / 0-)
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    glorificus

    But I'm sticking with the ideal of a NHS, just because it's much farther than I expect us to go.

    I am well aware that it is far more expensive and harder to achieve.

    The thing is, it's my OPENING position.  I'm fully willing to negotiate from that point.  I'm not willing to negotiate down from a "single payer" to a "Public option" to a "all options are on the table"...  You get the idea.

    Nope, I'm starting at completely insane and ultra left wing socialism.  Let em moderate me from there.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 06:39:24 AM PST

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    •  The problem with that position (0+ / 0-)

      Is that it is easily dismissed because the acquisition of the facilities costs hundreds of billions that isn't allocated to the actual care of patients. Then rather than starting the conversation, it stops.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:22:00 AM PST

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      •  But we're discussing Single Payer now... (1+ / 0-)
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        glorificus

        And talking about a reasonable compromise.  IMHO, the discussion has gone exactly the way I wanted it to.  A discussion of a real solution closer to the left.

        I can always bring up National Health Service again, next time the discussion starts turning to "Public Option".  ;)

        I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

        by detroitmechworks on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 07:46:23 AM PST

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        •  You are correct, DMW. Always shoot (0+ / 0-)

          for Alpha Centauri at first, when the moon is really what you want.

          "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

          by glorificus on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 08:02:26 AM PST

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      •  The American hospitals (1+ / 0-)
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        are building integrated care organizations.

        These integrated hospital-centric organizations could receive annual patient capitalization payments just like the very similar British NHS regional trusts.

        For example, Johns Hopkins pretty much runs the Baltimore area health care system.

        In Northern Virginia, I believe it's INOVA that runs most of the health care system.

        In Northern California, it's Sutter and Kaiser that run most of everything.

      •  In the metro Detroit area (0+ / 0-)
        Henry Ford Medical Centers, Henry Ford Macomb Health Centers and Henry Ford Wyandotte Health Centers offer the communities of southeastern Michigan a seamless array of care choices backed by excellence in research, education, and quality.

        Henry Ford Medical Centers each provide a wide range of medical services, from primary care and pediatrics to diagnostic tests as well as specialty medical services such as allergy or gastroenterology. Many Henry Ford Medical Centers offer pharmacies. The largest Medical Centers offer full-service care with Emergency Room services and select surgical services as well.

        http://www.henryford.com/...
        Medical Centers

        Ann Arbor
        Bloomfield Hills
        Canton
        Chicago Road
        Columbus (Novi)
        Commerce
        Cottage
        Detroit Northwest
        East Jefferson (St. Clair Shores)
        Fairlane (Dearborn)
        Farmington Road (West Bloomfield)
        Hamtramck
        Ford Road
        Harbortown (Detroit)
        Lakeside (Sterling Heights)
        Livonia
        New Center One (Detroit)
        Novi
        Pierson (Grosse Pointe Farms)
        Plymouth
        Royal Oak
        Southfield
        Sterling Heights
        Taylor
        Troy
        Woodhaven
        Macomb Health Centers
        Wyandotte Health Centers
        Specialized Facilities

        The regional trust has basically already been assembled. Instead of millions of patient and insurer checks annually, 26 or 52 federal checks per year could finance it.

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