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  •  I agree that they are going to get cut (3+ / 0-)
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    eXtina, PhilJD, helpImdrowning

    I disagree that they have to.  They will because i don't believe liberals will stand up to the President.   Drug prices, payroll tax increase, provider cuts.   Boom. We are there.

    But no one is willing to broach number two, so benefits are going to take the chop because folks arent willing to push back.   And then they will be astounded when it come back to bite our preferred candidates.

    I dOnt disagree with your assessment.  That is how democrats work.  I just don't think it has to be that way.  Why is it bad to stand our ground against the President and Senate Dems.   We can still get along after.  Worst case, the don't change their plan. Best case, the figure out they have the upper hand and figure out that raising the age or premiums will hurt the system more than it helps.  I don't think anyone is actually doing the math...they are just riding conventional wisdom.

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 10:09:07 AM PST

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    •  All your points are correct. (1+ / 0-)
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      They will because i don't believe liberals will stand up to the President.
      They will, but it wont make any difference. And that's kind of why I figure that if you don't want any deal to ever happen, the first thing you should want is for Social Security to be off the table.

      1. there is a good argument for it.
      2. it is doable.
      3. it helps sabotage the bargain.

      •  totally agree on SS.. (1+ / 0-)
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        brooklynbadboy

        and you make a good point regarding using it as a starting point to force the discussion...but what if it makes bad Medicare and Medicaid deals more palatable...save SS by hitting Medicare/aid?

        You are correct that given the choice of making an earned benefit deal under Obama or Republicans, this is better...but I question whether this Admin, with folks like Geithner and formerly Orzag are really interested in the health of medicare vs. deficit hawking...

        "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

        by justmy2 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 01:44:53 PM PST

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