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  •  Science Denial cannot be defeated by science ..... (0+ / 0-)

    ...advocates who commit their own forms of science denial.

    For example, the entire campaign to ban hydraulic fracturing constitutes a 100% denial of the scientific consensus and profession of geological engineering, petroleum & natural gas process engineering, mechanical engineering and hydrology.  

    I have not seen any part of the fracking ban campaign that can be considered much of a legitimate statement of a good faith attempt to modify the prevailing scientific consensus on the use of hydraulic fracturing.   It is just another anti-science campaign in all of its obnoxiousness, just like the Kansas state education board evolution deniers, the queen of anti-science -- the so-called 'pro life' anti-abortion, anti-contraception movement, the Saudi religious police, and other parts of the american taliban.

    •  I've had enough attempted conversations to know (0+ / 0-)

      it's about their way of life. Drill down long enough and it gets to "why should I give up my car/cheap gas for something that isn't fact. Try the Cheney Doctrine 1% threat approach, usually catches them off guard.

      Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

      by the fan man on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 04:57:31 PM PST

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      •  would you please explain what you are thinking (0+ / 0-)

        about in more detail and with more specificity?

        •  The Cheney Doctrine? If there's a 1% chance (1+ / 0-)
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          of a threat to the US, attack it.
          If you start by saying you agree with Dick Cheney, you've disarmed most deniers before you say, "well there far more than a 1% chance that global warming is already threatening the US, we must act now". "I mean, you love the US, don't you?"

          Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

          by the fan man on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:16:25 AM PST

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          •  thanks for that more refined elucidation (1+ / 0-)
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            •  It works. I've gone through too many (0+ / 0-)

              conversations with deniers pulling all the stops and whistles: "the planet's been warming and cooling for eons, we weren't around", "yeah", I reply "forest fires have been around forever, you mean we can't start a forest fire? Good, I'll start throwing my butts out the car window"...Round and round until you get to: "I'm not giving up anything until it's absolutely certain". Then introduce them to Mr. Cheney.

              Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther

              by the fan man on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:05:25 AM PST

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